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[yef]

shah wrote:

I think you all missing the point. Richie has nothing to do with it. We are talking about dark skin and light skin. You should emphasize on that subject only. Make the case insted of spreading the issue on Pipo's rise. The point should be that Pipo is in a better position to show case his talent. Klass CD and marketing have a lot to do with it. Period. Stay on the subject at hand.

Actually we are not missing point. The topic here is why is the formula working for Pipo right now.

The light skin issue is just one of many opinions/reasons being discussed here. And truthfully I'm not buying this one because Pipo is still dark skinned last time I checked.
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[shah]

Jube is full of it. Most of our HMI Stars back to early days of Kompa, most of the singers were dark skins. Most recently: Choubou, Cubano, Ti Mano. Should I say more? Klass has a kick ass cd and people and marketing put Pipo over the top, period. I am not naive. There is some issue regarding the light skin stuff but that's not so prominent. Ask Gazman. Last time I checked myself, those guys are dark skined.
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kingShah


That's exactly the point. This is my previous post. Read above.
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[Melfanatik]

It’s not because we admire, respect, and praise bands and personalities like T-Vice, Carimi, Kreyol La, Fabrice Rouzier, ect...it means we cannot accept others who do not meet the “grimo” criteria or they cannot become a success. We always had and always will.

Ritchie has the dexterity and the grace to stand aside and make a singer, he is not hailed the “superstar maker” for no reason. You add that factor with Pipo’s never-denied talent and you have a recipe for success. Toute moun te toujou konin Pipo konn chante, but the fans resented him for mistakes and issues of instability shown in the past and it took a while for them to forgive and forget.

That’s not to say the HMI doesn’t have a color/race issue that may manifest itself in other aspects (most institutions do), however it certainly is not what’s happening with Pipo in this instance. I find Jube’s thinking to be quite problematic and afraid that it breeds laziness.

In the Entertainment industry, there are people that the public respond to very quickly and effectively, for others it requires more time and vigorous effort, and the rest will never happen. The reasons why some are a success and others not cannot be all singled out, it’s more of qualitative prospect.

[shah]

We are in agreement.
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[owen1055]

No disrespect to bands like Carimi, Tvice, Kreyol La bc the guys are really talented and work really hard but there is some truth to what Papa Jude said. I don't know how much it contributes to the success level of some artists and bands but I've noticed certain things during my party days.

I also don't think that should be used as a tool to downplay the success of these bands because I think it says more about the fans and the Haitian culture than it says anything about the bands.
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[LadyKreyol]

owen1055 wrote:

No disrespect to bands like Carimi, Tvice, Kreyol La bc the guys are really talented and work really hard but there is some truth to what Papa Jude said. I don't know how much it contributes to the success level of some artists and bands but I've noticed certain things during my party days. I also don't think that should be used as a tool to downplay the success of these bands because I think it says more about the fans and the Haitian culture than it says anything about the bands.

I don't think anyone here denies the color complexes that exist in the HMI and in our culture for that matter but I think most people here are in agreement that his opinion on what has finally clicked with Pipo and the fans is off base. There's more to being a lead singer than just being able to sing, LIKE IT OR NOT. It took awhile but finally Pipo has found a home where not only the music is great and enhances his vocal prowess even more but he has found the right niche and it shows in his demenor on stage and everything is falling into place.
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[shah]

Totally agree.
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[owen1055]

LadyKreyol wrote:

owen1055 wrote: No disrespect to bands like Carimi, Tvice, Kreyol La bc the guys are really talented and work really hard but there is some truth to what Papa Jude said. I don't know how much it contributes to the success level of some artists and bands but I've noticed certain things during my party days. I also don't think that should be used as a tool to downplay the success of these bands because I think it says more about the fans and the Haitian culture than it says anything about the bands. I don't think anyone here denies the color complexes that exist in the HMI and in our culture for that matter but I think most people here are in agreement that his opinion on what has finally clicked with Pipo and the fans is off base. There's more to being a lead singer than just being able to sing, LIKE IT OR NOT. It took awhile but finally Pipo has found a home where not only the music is great and enhances his vocal prowess even more but he has found the right niche and it shows in his demenor on stage and everything is falling into place.

I do agree that a lot of factors come into play when it comes to his popularity and lack of in the past. I think papa Jude was also trying to make a broader statement, I just think Pipo was probably the wrong example to use. It does take more than just the ability to sing to make it as lead singer, but I do also think fans in the are willing to accept marginal talent level from certain people and not others.
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[Pitit Ginen]

Zafè koulè sou sèn mizikal ayisyen an toujou pa fè okenn sans. Pouki? Pi gwo vedèt Konpa nou yo se Cubano, Shoubou, Ti Manno, Larose, Max Badette, Chantè Top Vice la, Isnard Douby, Pouchon Duverger, Gazzman Pierre, Gracia Delva, Nickenson (ak gwo albòm solo li an), J Beatz. Gen lòt gwo ansyen vedèt konpa mwen pa site. Mwen jis bay kèk nan yo.

Kot pawòl sou zafè koulè sa soti vin reparèt nan figi moun ankò a. Stil (Pouchon, Gazzman ak Gracia, J Beatz) oswa karism (ansyan vedèt yo) se eleman sa yo ki alabaz reiyisit yon atis. Jude Jean ak Pipo ak Kenny gen gwo pwoblèm stil ki andikape reyonnman yo kòm atis. Malgre albòm Klass la fè anpil bri, mwen estime ke piblik la pa anbrase Pipo ditou nan pwen yo anbrase yon Gazzman ak Gracia. Nou va panse sou kisa ki fè diferans lan. Gazzman pase plis ke de lane l ap mennen ak yon albòm radòt. Sèl yon sipèsat ka fè yon bagay konsa. Gazzman ak Gracia senpman ki gen yon pouvwa konsa. E se de gwo grimo yo ye !...

Zafè koulè frè Jube ap pale a pa gen anyen arevwa ak siksè nan mizik Konpa. Se pwodwi bèl mizik epi mete jènjan sou ou. Wi, ti medam nou yo adore jènjan. Pa gen manti nan sa. Fòmil la, se pa koulè, se bèl postè (byen pran fòm kò w).

[Gentleman1]

Komsi Pipo gentan grimo la?
thank u jube
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