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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

jeancelestin wrote:
MINGOLOVE wrote:
PhizUniq wrote:
One thing for sure...

Based on the debate last night, I wouldn't vote for Michel Martelly. Definitely not!

Mirlande Manigat didn't convince me that much either. But she seems more knowledgeable and experienced about political and government affairs.

"Mr. Martelly c'est quoi la haute court de justice?" Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


I agree Mirlande is knowledgeable and experienced, but she was too nice and avoid to attack some of Martelly statements.

But i was laughing when she ask Martelly, " Mr. Martelly, c'est quoi la haute court de justice?", Martelly didn't know how to answer, he quickly said he is not a lawyer or law practionner. I think that was Mirlande way to strike back at Martelly for saying during his opening statement that Mirlande didn't study law or take law classes.


She really said that!
Anyway, i did not watch Smile
But, sanble bagay yo te funny anpil, papa Smile


She said that because Micky was trying to define LA HAUTE COUR DE JUSTICE and he went wrong about it. Micky didn't quite know what entities belong to la Haute Cour de Justice. he was mixing everything. So, Mirlande asked him that question to put on blast Micky's lack of knowledge in this area, especially after Micky said Mirlande is a self-proclaimed "constitutionalist" who never study law.
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

But i was laughing when she ask Martelly, " Mr. Martelly, c'est quoi la haute court de justice?", Martelly didn't know how to answer

MINGOLOVE AND PHIZ... MIRLANDE MANIGAT did not know the answer either. Michel Martelly was right with his first answer.

Remember, She is what we call an EXPERT.. how could she get that wrong?

Pls see ARTICLE 185 below


The High Court of Justice

ARTICLE 185:
The Senate may constitute itself as a High Court of Justice. the proceedings of this Court are presided over by the President of the Senate, assisted by the President and Vice President of the Supreme Court as Vice President and Secretary, respectively, except where the Justices of the Supreme Court and officers of the public Prosecutor's Office assigned to that court are involved in the accusation, in which case, the Senators, one of whom shall be designated by the accused, and the Senators so appointed shall not be entitled to vote.


ARTICLE 185

Le Sénat peut s'ériger en Haute Cour de Justice. Les travaux de cette Cour sont dirigés par le Président du Sénat assisté du Président et du Vice-Président de la Cour de Cassation comme Vice-Président et Secrétaire, respectivement, sauf si des juges de la Cour de Cassation ou des Officiers du Ministère Public près cette Cour sont impliqués dans l'accusation, auquel cas, le Président du Sénat se fera assister de deux (2) Sénateurs dont l'un sera désigné par l'inculpé et les Sénateurs sus-visés n'ont voix délibérative.
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Island, H1: let us wait & see, pou mwen menm, the future does not look promising whatever jan kat la bat...
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

MINGOLOVE wrote:
ILandfaces wrote:
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"Mais Mme Manigat vous avez un problem de minutes... vous rentrez dans mes minutes!".

Siro mwen telman ri mwen leve timoun yo nan dormi. You know Michel is a funny dude.


That was my favorite Martelly's line. He also make me laugh sometimes. He remind me the Sweet Micky I am a big fan of.

ChandlerMARTELLY,
Before the November 2010 elections, i was a supporter of Michel Martelly. I defended him many time on facebook and all that because I am a diehard Sweet Micky fan.
The first time I questioned his temper was, in September or october 2010 when a journalist was interviewing him and the questions are too tough for him, he went off on the journalist and, when that journalist made a mistake in French, he profited to lecture the poor journalist about French grammar.
Then, a few other things that he did and said during the campaign had me distanced myself from Michel Joseph SweetMicky Martelly (the candidate), but i am still supporting the singer/comedian.

BTW, Chandler, did you watch/listen to the debate? Do you agree that during the first part, Martelly was very offensive, defensive, and too arrogant. he often took more time attacking Manigat than giving a firm and clear answer to the questions asked.

I like Martelly idea about construction of port and some of the stuff he said about improving food production through agriculture


Bon

Mingo, look what you agreed with here. What did Manigat said? I agree too, but please tell me what other new ideas did she bring to the table. I saw nothing new. Come on brother, I have seen this game over and over, people ask yourselves one thing after the debate who brought out their view on policy and who provided nothing.

At the end, that is what you need to focus on really.
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MINGOLOVE



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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ChandlerMarthelly wrote:
SIROMYEL bon bagay !! Mingo all réfè devoi'w et tounin map tann ou !! sak passé'w konsa depi lè BC finn di li aveec Gran Mère'an !! mwen pas konpran ou même meme !! mwen vlé encien MINGO'an back !! Laughing Laughing



Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

M' pa ka pa ri... FYI, I chose to support her weeks before BC endorse her.

To tell you the truth, Mwen pa ta renmen ni yonn ni lot vin prezidan peyi a non. Men kom, fok se yonn ou lot kan menm, mwen reziyen'm ak Mirlande.

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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Mme Manigat is more of a calm, collected, rational, book smart, intellectual, nice lady, politician. She has good ideas about the problems. But sometimes she lacks that aggressiveness that Martelly has and she's playing the game too nice. In some questions, Martelly went straight to the point, to the details and specific plans he has even though they don't always seem realistic or viable. On the other hand, Manigat gives you more general answers and sticks a lot to the books.
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We can all agree she is very educated, and very calm old lady but she doesn't understand nor care about the real issues. Madame Manigat just want to be President epi that's it. Like I said I don't agree with all of Michel's views or ideas but he has a plan. Tout sa Michel di Madame Manigat agreed, like Michel said last night; ti bourik ap travay epi chwal ap celebre something like that.
 
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NEGKREYOL wrote:
But i was laughing when she ask Martelly, " Mr. Martelly, c'est quoi la haute court de justice?", Martelly didn't know how to answer

MINGOLOVE AND PHIZ... MIRLANDE MANIGAT did not know the answer either. Michel Martelly was right with his first answer.

Remember, She is what we call an EXPERT.. how could she get that wrong?

Pls see ARTICLE 185 below


The High Court of Justice

ARTICLE 185:
The Senate may constitute itself as a High Court of Justice. the proceedings of this Court are presided over by the President of the Senate, assisted by the President and Vice President of the Supreme Court as Vice President and Secretary, respectively, except where the Justices of the Supreme Court and officers of the public Prosecutor's Office assigned to that court are involved in the accusation, in which case, the Senators, one of whom shall be designated by the accused, and the Senators so appointed shall not be entitled to vote.


Good point, I actually cannot fault both candidates because lets be fair in such an environment I doubt I would know details of the constitution as well.
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

MINGOLOVE wrote:
jeancelestin wrote:
MINGOLOVE wrote:
PhizUniq wrote:
One thing for sure...

Based on the debate last night, I wouldn't vote for Michel Martelly. Definitely not!

Mirlande Manigat didn't convince me that much either. But she seems more knowledgeable and experienced about political and government affairs.

"Mr. Martelly c'est quoi la haute court de justice?" Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing


I agree Mirlande is knowledgeable and experienced, but she was too nice and avoid to attack some of Martelly statements.

But i was laughing when she ask Martelly, " Mr. Martelly, c'est quoi la haute court de justice?", Martelly didn't know how to answer, he quickly said he is not a lawyer or law practionner. I think that was Mirlande way to strike back at Martelly for saying during his opening statement that Mirlande didn't study law or take law classes.


She really said that!
Anyway, i did not watch Smile
But, sanble bagay yo te funny anpil, papa Smile


She said that because Micky was trying to define LA HAUTE COUR DE JUSTICE and he went wrong about it. Micky didn't quite know what entities belong to la Haute Cour de Justice. he was mixing everything. So, Mirlande asked him that question to put on blast Micky's lack of knowledge in this area, especially after Micky said Mirlande is a self-proclaimed "constitutionalist" who never study law.




You are wrong again, he was not mixing everything.... he said the high court does not exist now because we do not have a vice president of the supreme court.

Mrs Manigat corrected him by saying the high court is simply the senate... which is not what the constitution says in article 185...

Michel Martelly came back to her by reading article 185 and tell her she is suppose to be an expert at constitutional law but she didn't seem to know the right answer.

... and then he said "mwen sanble pibon pasew nan domaine ou" something to that extent.



ARTICLE 185

Le Sénat peut s'ériger en Haute Cour de Justice. Les travaux de cette Cour sont dirigés par le Président du Sénat assisté du Président et du Vice-Président de la Cour de Cassation comme Vice-Président et Secrétaire, respectivement, sauf si des juges de la Cour de Cassation ou des Officiers du Ministère Public près cette Cour sont impliqués dans l'accusation, auquel cas, le Président du Sénat se fera assister de deux (2) Sénateurs dont l'un sera désigné par l'inculpé et les Sénateurs sus-visés n'ont voix délibérative.
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

jeancelestin wrote:
Anyway, H1, NE RENTREZ PAS DANS MES MINUTES! Very Happy Smile
Ala ou vie prezidan sa, papa Smile
Tout se MARTELLY, Pa gen jwet menm Smile
Vive Martelly pou prezidan


Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

Micky won this debate in my eyes then again I don't look for showmanships I look on how people are thinking and what they plan to do. After this debate, Micky did a decent job providing details on what he plans to do while Manigat I am still waiting and guess what sa pas bon man. You want people to vote on nothing. That Preval strategie he did to win won't work this time.

But Manigat is very smart!!!
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 PostPosted: Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ILandfaces wrote:
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Mme Manigat is more of a calm, collected, rational, book smart, intellectual, nice lady, politician. She has good ideas about the problems. But sometimes she lacks that aggressiveness that Martelly has and she's playing the game too nice. In some questions, Martelly went straight to the point, to the details and specific plans he has even though they don't always seem realistic or viable. On the other hand, Manigat gives you more general answers and sticks a lot to the books.
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We can all agree she is very educated, and very calm old lady but she doesn't understand nor care about the real issues. Madame Manigat just want to be President epi that's it. Like I said I don't agree with all of Michel's views or ideas but he has a plan. Tout sa Michel di Madame Manigat agreed, like Michel said last night; ti bourik ap travay epi chwal ap celebre something like that.


Sa te bon... "BOURIK AP TRAVAY, CHWAL AP GALONNEN" Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

True... Manigat agreed with a lot of Martelly's points and ideas. That was good to see. And I'm sure it gave Martelly a sense of confidence. I like a lot of Martelly's ideas. But dont forget that most of the times it was because Martelly was the first one to answer the question.

Another thing...

There were 3 or 4 questions about justice, national production and reconstruction, etc they asked and Martelly's answers were simply: "Pa gen leta... Pa gen jistis. On va changer tout cela. On va renegocier. On va rebalancer tout cela. Mme Manigat fait parti de ce systeme... ce systeme de 25-30 ans qui nous a mis la, etc etc". And that was it.

He kept saying there are problems with this, with that. Mme Manigat is in the system. All that bla bla bla without really answering the questions or providing solutions.

Yes we all know the government is not functional and not effective. Tout moun konn sa deja. Enough with the blame and the problems. Give solutions.
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