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STaFF PoZé wrote:

For almost a century, we Haitians have been involved in soccer, but until now we can't say that we have some millionaires from playing that game. Don't get me wrong I love the game and many of you know that I played most of my life both in Haiti and in the states. However, what bothers me the most is the intense coverages that they give soccer on the air in Haiti that even the regular programs stop at some radio stations just for some friendly games. The European leagues are on top of the sports news reports on a daily basis at 90% of the broadcasts...while there was no mention of even the super bowl game of last weekend. I'm not an advocate for the NFL...but at this time our media need to understand that we have presently 22 Haitian families that are now MILLIONAIRES because of the NFL...No other discipline came even close, and we need to understand that we have more coming in colleges and universities...not to mention High Schools. I think that this is one subject that our artists can think of and do a song about it in order to create awareness cause all this coverages for soccer is only to AMUSER LA GALLERIE...and that we need to focus on areas that we are strong in this era of reconstruction of our country and communities. What the hell we got to do with how many goals Mesi scores while there is no mention on how many touchdowns that Pierre Garçon scored....T shirts and posters of Garçon and Vilma are being sold to fans while our people in Haiti don't even know their numbers, their teams or faces...THIS IS SO SAD...while Teves, Pique or Dany Alves are in the mouths of everyone and constantly in the news.... Real Madrid, Barcelone, Olympic de Marseilles, Chelsea, Bayern de Munich got nothing to do with us Haitians and the chance of any of us to play in any of those teams is as slim as a meteor falling on your house...or winning the lottery....while we already have 22 Haitians in top NFL teams. It looks like our community found a golden niche...The Cubans and Dominicans are doing good in baseball while we are doing good in American Football...So if you are going to Haiti I think it will be a good idea to take the oval ball to the youngs instead of the regular round soccer ball. A couple of HMI songs by the top producers could be the best road to talk about the golden niche or to give OUR American football stars some kind of exposures and we can on the same token encourage them to get involved too somehow...but for now they are completely being ignored and that's not fair.... ALLO RITCHIE/GRACIA...THAT TOO IS ANOTHER CASE OF A L'ENVERS IF YOU ASK ME....A L'ENVERS # 2

Staff,
As much as I agree with you in term of new topic/lyrics for our songs, as much also I can't agree with you as far as "are we kicking the wrong ball..."

In term of new topic for our songs; it is obvious that when you listen to most of our active bands albums: the topics are almost the same: bragging for self, ladies/love, Haiti (sometimes) most of the times - they can/should use or elaborate some more on other subjects/topics to inform the listeners; and a song/mention about those NFL players from Haiti who made it well through sports can be one good topic to talk about...

On the other hand, American Football (as WE soccer fans call it) is not a sport that can adapt to our culture and situation as one of the poorest contries in the western hemisphere OR any little ti Djo growing up in Haiti can relate to

1) the name already put into confusion (football playing mostly with hands) - Rugby is a good name as they call the almost similar sports in all other countries besides USA and Canada

2) there is already a soooooo veryyyyyyyyyy popular sport called FOOTBALL all over the world except USA and Canada

3) American football is an expensive game sport that requires lots of equipments and garnments and protection all over (not that football-soccer doesn't require any protection but what makes it the most popular sport is it can be practiced without and with less injuries and by everyone: short, tall, big, skinny, rich, poor, you name it... in Haiti we play soccer every where (even in my living room)

4) You mention Messi, Dany Alves,..., even though those people are not Haitians or from Haitian family BUT there is sthing you omit to say, most of then have the same background as any other kids growing up in Haiti; those kids can relate easily to those folks as they know that they have the same favelas background...
the dream is important in what you want to achieve unless you have BIG FAITH in the LORD (another story)
How can a haitian kid growing up in Haiti dream about being a millionaire in american Football while the only way he can achieve that is to come to USA - how small is the percentage of that little haitian boy who falls in love with american football to become a millionaire in that sport, close to epsilon - those kids are born soccer players, it's a gift from GOD, they never learn how to play nor go to a soccer school and they are good - even myself I dreamed of becoming a professional soccer player (I had my chance to do it but I preferred going to med school) - what is missing is a higher authority influence to push them or to give them the possibilities to be seen by recruiters (when Auxerre football clubs send invitations to the FHF, which kid gets the invites, is it the most skilfull ones?? hmmm!)

5) Watching soccer on tv, the kids in Haiti will see Essien, Mikel, Drogba, Eto'o, Altidor, ..., a bunch of professionals with the same background as themselves who made it through soccer- that only can motivate them to practice it more -
Bring American Football in Haiti either on tv and in practice, who will they see practicing this sport to inspire them (sure lots of African American) BUT you may spend the whole year telling them that such and such was living in a poor neighborhood in Florida, will not help; just because a poor neighborhood in Florida is already considered as paradise for a poor kid growing up in Haiti

6) I remember going to SLG High School and all of sudden, those kids decided to invade one of the soccer fields to play American Football - that creates so many controversies in the school that the principal had to stop it;
1st, the school clinic was fulled of kids with injuries, shoulders/knees dislocation/soft tissues tear - cast and crutches etc -
2nd, it was for them a way of distinguishing themselves from those who never had a chance to travel to USA (another form of socio-economic disparities on top of what already existed in the school) -
who do you think will practice American Football in Haiti or have the possibility of doing it??

I am happy to know that 22 Haitians have become millionaire playing in the NFL but kids growing up in Haiti cannot relate to them as what ever the background of those 22 Haitians who made it in the NFL, they had a chance that not so many Haitian kids growing up in Haiti will most likely never have and it's coming to USA - they would rather relate to Eloi who played at Lens in France and made some money or Altidore now for the USNMST than a Haitian becoming millionaire playing American Football

MHO,

teddy
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[Neg2byen]

I dont agree with you at all Staff. Just like the rest of the world, Football is what we know how to play. We do have people that are playing in big leagues in Europe. Jean Jacques Pierre is one of them, who used to play for Cavaly de Leogane. Grew up in Haiti, played for the NT in all levels. Li se produi footbal Haitien bay. Nan tout neg kap jwe footbal American isi yo, konbyen ladan yo ki te fet et grandi Haiti. I bet you none of them.
As far as talent, we have alot of talents in Haiti. That's why our U-17 teams are usually the best in the region...
Ou konn konbyen lajan timoun ap bezwen pou'w jwe boul? yon bann kob wi pou'w achte pads, helmets. Tandike pou soccer, sa'w bezwen selman se yon boul avek 4 poto. Malere haiti paka pratike Football ameriken.
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Rj production wrote:

STaFF PoZé wrote: D K Bess wrote: jeanVALjean wrote: D K Bess wrote: Daprè ou eske-w pansé sa ki Haitien ki milionè nan FootBall Amériken yo gen on rapor ak Haiti vré... Yo passé tankou ninpot Amériken ki jwenn oportunité jwé FootBall. Alorske leu ou pran on Dominicain ou Cubain nan BaseBall moun ka di ke sa sot nan Culture yo... Men FootBall Amériken an pa gen anyen pou-l wè ak Culture Haitien... hmm...brother, ki definisyon "rapo ak Ayiti"? paske anpil nan neg yo pat leve an Ayiti vle di yo pa gin rapo ak ayiti? Lè Pierre Garcon tap kouri ak drapo a nan mainl ane pase ya, se pat pou fiète peyi a? Alex Rodriguez se nan lakou ft lauderdale, Florida (Westminster) li te fe high school li wi...apre sa lal University of Miami...misye pa gin rapo ak la Dominikani tou? And like I said before, it's less about culture than it is about dollars. Is there something wrong with exposing our nation to a craft/sport that can enrich some of them? Map palé de Rapport ak Culture Haitienne... Leu ou pran Alex Rodriguez... Se pa pou anyen ki fè Parent-l ba-l Push nan BaseBall Leu ou pran Josmer Altidore Se pa pou anyen ki fè Prant-l ba-l Push nan Soccer... Ki Rapport FootBall Ameriken gen ak Culture Haitienne??? Let me give the same answer.... Soccer too was not created in Haiti...it was at some point introduced and incorporated in our culture by our grandfathers...so what's wrong with our generation introducing American Football to the up coming generations...There is no need to be afraid after all they both can co-exist...My position is that it's not fair that it's being ignored and that something can be done about and it should start with the media and a good song about the subject can also help...just like Raoul Guillaume and others at some point did for soccer awareness and support. the real question should be why don't we have more haitian playing in the big soccer league is it beacuse they are not good enough or just don't have the right structure for the sport in the country if it's later what make you think football will be any different.

it is already different
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STaFF PoZé wrote:

For almost a century, we Haitians have been involved in soccer, but until now we can't say that we have some millionaires from playing that game. Don't get me wrong I love the game and many of you know that I played most of my life both in Haiti and in the states. However, what bothers me the most is the intense coverages that they give soccer on the air in Haiti that even the regular programs stop at some radio stations just for some friendly games. The European leagues are on top of the sports news reports on a daily basis at 90% of the broadcasts...while there was no mention of even the super bowl game of last weekend. I'm not an advocate for the NFL...but at this time our media need to understand that we have presently 22 Haitian families that are now MILLIONAIRES because of the NFL...No other discipline came even close, and we need to understand that we have more coming in colleges and universities...not to mention High Schools. I think that this is one subject that our artists can think of and do a song about it in order to create awareness cause all this coverages for soccer is only to AMUSER LA GALLERIE...and that we need to focus on areas that we are strong in this era of reconstruction of our country and communities. What the hell we got to do with how many goals Mesi scores while there is no mention on how many touchdowns that Pierre Garçon scored....T shirts and posters of Garçon and Vilma are being sold to fans while our people in Haiti don't even know their numbers, their teams or faces...THIS IS SO SAD...while Teves, Pique or Dany Alves are in the mouths of everyone and constantly in the news.... Real Madrid, Barcelone, Olympic de Marseilles, Chelsea, Bayern de Munich got nothing to do with us Haitians and the chance of any of us to play in any of those teams is as slim as a meteor falling on your house...or winning the lottery....while we already have 22 Haitians in top NFL teams. It looks like our community found a golden niche...The Cubans and Dominicans are doing good in baseball while we are doing good in American Football...So if you are going to Haiti I think it will be a good idea to take the oval ball to the youngs instead of the regular round soccer ball. A couple of HMI songs by the top producers could be the best road to talk about the golden niche or to give OUR American football stars some kind of exposures and we can on the same token encourage them to get involved too somehow...but for now they are completely being ignored and that's not fair.... ALLO RITCHIE/GRACIA...THAT TOO IS ANOTHER CASE OF A L'ENVERS IF YOU ASK ME....A L'ENVERS # 2

COMPLETELY AGREE.....LOVE UR POST....
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PropertyofHaiti wrote:

Guys we are not speaking about the real reason why we don't have Haitian millionair in soccer... for the same reason a soccer player is not succeeding in Haiti is for the same reason if we have American football in Haiti, Haitian from Haiti would not succeed... The reason those Kids in America succeed in American football is because they are playing in an area where they get proper coach, proper development, proper fitness and proper nurishment... In Haiti Soccer players could be Millionair too if they have proper coaching, proper development, and exposure... In Haiti you see kids that have great individual skill in soccer but thats its all stop there because they don't have knowledgebal coach that can teach them how to play the game as a team... An another issue that keep Haitian player from growing they don't have proper nourishment therefore they are not properly fit and physically weak.. have any of you guys ever seen Haiti Plays, the first 15 minutes we look Brazil after that we get tired and the game end for us right there... i follow Haitian football alot and i have manny international coaches I know who always say (Haitian problem in football is not technique our main problem is fitness and proper development).. So if our soccer Player are malnourish and physical weak, you believe bringing football would change a thing.. do you see the lines man in footbal you think Diri ak Mais Moulin can give you that... American football would never work in Haiti just for the same reason soccer don't...

apres sa w finn di la, si diskision an kontinye
w met konnen se pou enteresan
ouben pou'l rive 8 paj

w ramase tout bagay la patizan, mesi ampil
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[jeancelestin]

Staff, i do not know why haitians do not play BASEBALL like the DOMINICAINS AND THE CUBANS?
Or concentrate on BASKETBALL? Maybe, because of our proximity with the USA, WE might have a chance?
ballon pa ayisien fet ou jean rectangulaire
Li pa ou ballon rond
Frankly, ayisien renmen ou bagay ki pa renmen yo non
Or at least, play soccer, but do other stuffs as well
M pa konpran menm
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[Staff Poze 2]

Guys...once again the essence of my post is about the coverage that is given to the European soccer leagues on the news in Haiti...while we have Haitian athletes in the American football league that the Haitian media don't even mention. When stations are doing a sport reports, I think these days they need to include or start to include the NFL on the broadcasts especially now that we have Haitians or sons of Haitians doing wonders in the league....
Now people are talking all kind of things about soccer vs football that got nothing to do with the essence of the post....
The reason I mention the 22 players that we got in recent years compared to soccer in the past century is to show that members of our community have found success in so little time and we have others coming up...So yes, American football is not in Haiti yet, but why not introducing it now...at least people in the upcoming decades will have a better understanding of it...and no one can predict the future...We should not be saying or thinking that Haitians will always be malnourished and poor...and would not be able to afford the garments...What's in store for the next 20 years God only knows....Just like the baseball league is buying people in Cuba and the D.R...the NFL could someday be looking at Haiti....based on the success of the pioneers...What if we managed to get those Haitian millionaires involved in doing some workshops for the future generations....you really think that those kids in the camp under Vilma -Arnoux- Garçon and others will be malnourished and would not have the garments....
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[Neg2byen]

Staff, where in the world do they give coverage about American Football? How they're gonna give coverage on something they probably don't even understand? Si yon moun pa konprann footbal epi wap gade'l se komsi ou we yon group neg sou teren ap goumen wi... To give coverage about something, you have to be able to understand and explain to the listeners...
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[Staff Poze 2]

Neg2byen wrote:

Staff, where in the world do they give coverage about American Football? How they're gonna give coverage on something they probably don't even understand? Si yon moun pa konprann footbal epi wap gade'l se komsi ou we yon group neg sou teren ap goumen wi... To give coverage about something, you have to be able to understand and explain to the listeners...

Il faut un debut à tout.....

When the soccer coverage started in Haiti, there was no television my friend...The previous generation only use to see Pele in pictures...Like I said Soccer was not created in Haiti...it's an IMPORTED sport....that we later got adapted to...Many people in the early stage only understand the goals scoring in soccer....sa yo konn nan touche...kou fran direk...kou fran indirek...corner...and the formations...4-3-3 or 5-3-2 or 4-2-4 MW and others....People learn as they go...pa guen moun ki te fèt tou konnen zanmi...Now you are basically telling me...nou dwe kontinue bay vag....I remember my first trip to the U.S...I went to a park and everyone was speaking English...I felt that I will never understand that language...Same thing for BEZIG....guen moun se domino selman yo ka jwe...vive damou...3/7 ak bourik...yo pè jwe bezig paske li twò konplike...
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Haitianone wrote:

Yep, talked about this issue before and people attacked me and proclaim their love for sport that have done nothing for them or their people. Football and basketball clinics should be instituted immediately because for sure I know it has done a lot and a game many Haitian love a lot!!!! If I was president of Haiti first thing I do institute football the national sprt if the people don't like it so what they gonna love it one way or another.

Misyeu pedu tete li net
Bresil and England for example only live talking and playing soccer. They're financially well without the NFL.... Change can be good to introduce new sports but it would be better to create an environment where people can excel at what they already love :Soccer and Basket-Ball.
We have some talents in Haiti but no sports center for them.
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