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[tibobdenazareth]

There are 3 major categories to this one:

1) Shortly after the earthquake and still today, there has been a natural survival instinct tendency among a lot of Haitians to put down (and even off) their patriotic guard and to embrace countries like the US, France who have been tagged (rightfully or wrongfully) as enemies of the nation in the past. They think there's no way Haitians have either the knowledge or the skills to build a 21st-century city. This is an expertise to outsource ... even to the "geopolitical" devil.

2) Others agree the US and France and other nations are never to be trusted. But given 200 years of bad experience with Haitians building their own destinity, particularly given the lack of scientific knowledge for this huge project that involve so much money in the hands of Haitian Officials notorious for stealing everything withing their grasp for 200 years, it is fair compromise to let the US or France head the reconstruction project.

3) Others categorically cling to their patriotic fervence even to the cost of suicide or self-extinction. Se peyi Desalin, pa gen plas pou blan.

What is your take on this and which category mostly defines your position? Of course if that category is not listed, please feel free to add yours.
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[Haitianone]

tibobdenazareth wrote:

There are 3 major categories to this one: 1) Shortly after the earthquake and still today, there has been a natural survival instinct tendency among a lot of Haitians to put down (and even off) their patriotic guard and to embrace countries like the US, France who have been tagged (rightfully or wrongfully) as enemies of the nation in the past. They think there's no way Haitians have either the knowledge or the skills to build a 21st-century city. This is an expertise to outsource ... even to the "geopolitical" devil. 2) Others agree the US and France and other nations are never to be trusted. But given 200 years of bad experience with Haitians building their own destinity, particularly given the lack of scientific knowledge for this huge project that involve so much money in the hands of Haitian Officials notorious for stealing everything withing their grasp for 200 years, it is fair compromise to let the US or France head the reconstruction project. 3) Others categorically cling to their patriotic fervence even to the cost of suicide or self-extinction. Se peyi Desalin, pa gen plas pou blan. What is your take on this and which category mostly defines your position? Of course if that category is not listed, please feel free to add yours.

TiBo

You do have a point here and I am of the belief that Haitians in Haiti with their corrupt political class cannot rebuild Haiti in a reflective way needed to push the country.

I read the elite are right now salivating because they cannot wait to get the money and probably already paid bribes to Preval and Bellerive to make sure that certain projects come their way.

Preval and Bellerive I hear are getting hard-ons given the case of Preval who has prostrate cancer and getting hard ons on the money they think they can manipulate and steal.

I hear there members of diaspora trying to get their hands into the action but many has already faced the problems. If you are in the diaspora you are already out man. I know too many people who got contracting firms in the USA.

Of course, there are those who want to sabotage the UN and especially Clinton for providing a no bid contract to a firm for clean up, a firm who has experience in Iraq, Kosovo, and other regions of the world for cleaning up disaster sites.

TiBob, what people do not hear is the Army Corps of Engineers has already mapped the landscape in PAP and they already have the assessments of what is needed. The problem is it is going to cost $16 Billion to do it.

The USA will not spend $16 Billion on one country, a country that is not a member of its Union. Given the ineptitude of the political class the US knows there will be mismanagement and PAP will even be more broken then it is now. The US knows it will be the only country that is capable of rebuilding Haiti given it has build many countries (states) and other terrtiories in its jurisdiction. But the US will only go so far if you are not a member of its Union. They will do a patch up job like they do in Iraq but Haiti needs more. Haitians need to be trained to run a country, make assessments and develop an educated class that have been lost in the rubble.

I wish I could say with confidence my people can do the job but they cannot. I cannot listen those who believe Haitian people can rise from this mess with the diaspora Haitians in Haiti don't want. Personally, I cannot stand listening to those who want to talk about Haitian Independence while they sit in the USA talking shit while their people cannot even find food or educate their children. I cannot see the US spending $16 Billion on a country they do not own.

TiBob, agree or disagree, the solution is simple join the Union or see Haiti turn to shit before you eyes.

And those who looking to France for hope, they only gave $400 Million and $77 Million of that was forgiving debt so you got $323 Million from them and Haiti needs $16 Billion. So di'm kijan sa ap fet?

I know, Haiti becomes a US territory- 40-50 years later a incorporated territory- 60-90 years a state.

Otherwise, I do not see how this will work.
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[Rj production]

Haitianone wrote:

tibobdenazareth wrote: There are 3 major categories to this one: 1) Shortly after the earthquake and still today, there has been a natural survival instinct tendency among a lot of Haitians to put down (and even off) their patriotic guard and to embrace countries like the US, France who have been tagged (rightfully or wrongfully) as enemies of the nation in the past. They think there's no way Haitians have either the knowledge or the skills to build a 21st-century city. This is an expertise to outsource ... even to the "geopolitical" devil. 2) Others agree the US and France and other nations are never to be trusted. But given 200 years of bad experience with Haitians building their own destinity, particularly given the lack of scientific knowledge for this huge project that involve so much money in the hands of Haitian Officials notorious for stealing everything withing their grasp for 200 years, it is fair compromise to let the US or France head the reconstruction project. 3) Others categorically cling to their patriotic fervence even to the cost of suicide or self-extinction. Se peyi Desalin, pa gen plas pou blan. What is your take on this and which category mostly defines your position? Of course if that category is not listed, please feel free to add yours. TiBo You do have a point here and I am of the belief that Haitians in Haiti with their corrupt political class cannot rebuild Haiti in a reflective way needed to push the country. I read the elite are right now salivating because they cannot wait to get the money and probably already paid bribes to Preval and Bellerive to make sure that certain projects come their way. Preval and Bellerive I hear are getting hard-ons given the case of Preval who has prostrate cancer and getting hard ons on the money they think they can manipulate and steal. I hear there members of diaspora trying to get their hands into the action but many has already faced the problems. If you are in the diaspora you are already out man. I know too many people who got contracting firms in the USA. Of course, there are those who want to sabotage the UN and especially Clinton for providing a no bid contract to a firm for clean up, a firm who has experience in Iraq, Kosovo, and other regions of the world for cleaning up disaster sites. TiBob, what people do not hear is the Army Corps of Engineers has already mapped the landscape in PAP and they already have the assessments of what is needed. The problem is it is going to cost $16 Billion to do it. The USA will not spend $16 Billion on one country, a country that is not a member of its Union. Given the ineptitude of the political class the US knows there will be mismanagement and PAP will even be more broken then it is now. The US knows it will be the only country that is capable of rebuilding Haiti given it has build many countries (states) and other terrtiories in its jurisdiction. But the US will only go so far if you are not a member of its Union. They will do a patch up job like they do in Iraq but Haiti needs more. Haitians need to be trained to run a country, make assessments and develop an educated class that have been lost in the rubble. I wish I could say with confidence my people can do the job but they cannot. I cannot listen those who believe Haitian people can rise from this mess with the diaspora Haitians in Haiti don't want. Personally, I cannot stand listening to those who want to talk about Haitian Independence while they sit in the USA talking shit while their people cannot even find food or educate their children. I cannot see the US spending $16 Billion on a country they do not own. TiBob, agree or disagree, the solution is simple join the Union or see Haiti turn to shit before you eyes.

dream on brother haiti for haitian that's it

[Haitianone]

RJ

That is it, seul sa!!!! Alon groupe moun, at all cost send Haiti to the toilet. Simeus got the plan brother a great one.
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[SIROMYEL]

Quote:

The US knows it will be the only country that is capable of rebuilding Haiti given it has build many countries (states) and other terrtiories in its jurisdiction.

Like who?
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[Haitianone]

SIROMYEL wrote:

Quote: The US knows it will be the only country that is capable of rebuilding Haiti given it has build many countries (states) and other terrtiories in its jurisdiction. Like who?

Are you for real? Do you know how America works? It has 50 states and 4 territories, each operate independent from other like separate countries. That is laws in Florida are not always the same as in Massachusetts and all the states adhere to the Federal laws. The Federal Government is the Union government where each states has a participation in. However, the territories are not represented in Congress but they also adhere to the federal rules beside their local rules.

All of them states before joining the Union, like Texas, California, and Mississippi Valley region, were all broken down and destroyed or uninhabitable and today look. The Union built up their economies and they become self sufficient. The last two states were Hawaii who really had no local economy and Alaska which was inhabitable.

You know what that right there tells me you do know a danm thing about the United States.

While you are throwing rocks at me at times you have no danm clue how the Union works.

It explains your reasoning at times.

So to answer yout question the United States has done this at least 54 times in its history fixing up their territories.
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[dalida]

We're all agree on one thing. The money shouldn't fall in the hands or our officials. So they can not e rebuild the country. They don't have the experience nor the will.

One think i want out of the rebuilding process,is for them to use atleast 70% of Haitian technicians living in Haiti. Masons, Carpenters, electricians ect. and to pay them the same amount they're paying the international workers.
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[jacomo]

It's such a laughable notion to think that we can just offer Haiti to America just like that.... It is as absurd as me thinking I can call Alecia Keys and Beyonce tonight and ask them to have a threesome.

I think the reconstruction plan should be managed by a panel made up of members of different entities like the world bank, IMF, UN, France, Canada, US, Brazil and yes Haiti. That committee would have as its chair person, Bill Clinton or any other well respected internation figure.

That's my opinion and I truly think that's what going to go down. The only thing that might impede the progress at this time are those opportunist politicians who are calling for Preval to resign. Preval must finish his term. Point bar! We can have a general counsel of government as of february of next year but preval has to finish his term.

[SIROMYEL]

Haitianone wrote:

SIROMYEL wrote: Quote: The US knows it will be the only country that is capable of rebuilding Haiti given it has build many countries (states) and other terrtiories in its jurisdiction. Like who? Are you for real? Do you know how America works? It has 50 states and 4 territories, each operate independent from other like separate countries. That is laws in Florida are not always the same as in Massachusetts and all the states adhere to the Federal laws. The Federal Government is the Union government where each states has a participation in. However, the territories are not represented in Congress but they also adhere to the federal rules beside their local rules. All of them states before joining the Union, like Texas, California, and Mississippi Valley region, were all broken down and destroyed or uninhabitable and today look. The Union built up their economies and they become self sufficient. The last two states were Hawaii who really had no local economy and Alaska which was inhabitable. You know what that right there tells me you do know a danm thing about the United States. While you are throwing rocks at me at times you have no danm clue how the Union works. It explains your reasoning at times. So to answer yout question the United States has done this at least 54 times in its history fixing up their territories.

H1, I can tell you a few things about yourself.

But im not going to bring myself down to your leve.

Nor am i going to attack your personality as you have mine and so many others on the board countless times... because you can never give logical reasoning for your agenda.

I can tell you that most people read most of what you write on this board and laugh at how absurd they are.

I assumed you were talking about states that are part of the union, or US territories that's why I asked you to give me examples. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU COULDNT POSSIBLY BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES THAT THE U.S Has helped.

Since Haiti is neither a US State or Territory, and since the possibility of it becoming one is slim to none... pour ne pas dire jamais, I dont see how the fact that the U.S has developed it's own states and territories pertain to us.
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[Haitianone]

SIROMYEL wrote:

Haitianone wrote: SIROMYEL wrote: Quote: The US knows it will be the only country that is capable of rebuilding Haiti given it has build many countries (states) and other terrtiories in its jurisdiction. Like who? Are you for real? Do you know how America works? It has 50 states and 4 territories, each operate independent from other like separate countries. That is laws in Florida are not always the same as in Massachusetts and all the states adhere to the Federal laws. The Federal Government is the Union government where each states has a participation in. However, the territories are not represented in Congress but they also adhere to the federal rules beside their local rules. All of them states before joining the Union, like Texas, California, and Mississippi Valley region, were all broken down and destroyed or uninhabitable and today look. The Union built up their economies and they become self sufficient. The last two states were Hawaii who really had no local economy and Alaska which was inhabitable. You know what that right there tells me you do know a danm thing about the United States. While you are throwing rocks at me at times you have no danm clue how the Union works. It explains your reasoning at times. So to answer yout question the United States has done this at least 54 times in its history fixing up their territories. H1, I can tell you a few things about yourself. But im not going to bring myself down to your leve. Nor am i going to attack your personality as you have mine and so many others on the board countless times... because you can never give logical reasoning for your agenda. I can tell you that most people read most of what you write on this board and laugh at how absurd they are. I assumed you were talking about states that are part of the union, or US territories that's why I asked you to give me examples. BECAUSE I KNOW YOU COULDNT POSSIBLY BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER SOVEREIGN COUNTRIES THAT THE U.S Has helped. Since Haiti is neither a US State or Territory, and since the possibility of it becoming one is slim to none... pour ne pas dire jamais, I dont see how the fact that the U.S has developed it's own states and territories pertain to us.

Well, several of the states and territories of the US were former sovereigns as well. I really do not get your position or is it you are trying to hard because US is obligated to help their own not others.

With $16 Billion needed, where is this money going to come from. The US will not foot this bill for a foreign country they did not even spend that kind of in construction projects in Iraq who is much bigger and wealthier then Haiti.

If I was you I would push for it because nobody is going to give $16 Billion to some broken down like Haiti with incompetent leaders like Haiti.

Tell me something about myself, my friend move on, don't worry about me worry about your country.
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