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ILandfaces



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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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No band should be subjected to playing in front of an empty room because of lack of promotion by the party planners

Yef i took a little piece of your post, honestly bro are you serious. If I paid you it doesnt matter if the party has 2 people you are responsible to play regardless, patizan mwen pa konpran kisa wap pale la vre.
 
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Ernst



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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 3:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

PhizUniq wrote:
Tout pale anpil sa yo n'ap fè la, tout se rans!

I agree 100% with Fito on this one.

In any business, a manager's role is not only to manage money, time and human resources. He is also required to take decisions, tough decisions.

Fito took a tough decision here but in the best interests of his band Carimi. His motives are reasonable and perfectly understandable.

Fito ap jere biznis djaz li.

The people who don't agree with Fito...

How would you feel as a Carimi fan going to this party on such a big weekend and find 100 people at the bal? You would have been disappointed!

Now as a non Carimi fan, what would you do after witnessing only 100 people going to this Carimi bal? You would have spread the bad news around!

Think about these 2 questions depending on which category you fall into before criticizing Fito.

No wonder why the bands have no respect for the fans. In business, sometimes u have a slow day. Not every day will be great.
 
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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think FITO is way off on this one... You cannot pull out an event the day of just because low attendance... If 5 people show up, the band should try for the 5 fans who took time to show up...
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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ernst wrote:
PhizUniq wrote:
Tout pale anpil sa yo n'ap fè la, tout se rans!

I agree 100% with Fito on this one.

In any business, a manager's role is not only to manage money, time and human resources. He is also required to take decisions, tough decisions.

Fito took a tough decision here but in the best interests of his band Carimi. His motives are reasonable and perfectly understandable.

Fito ap jere biznis djaz li.

The people who don't agree with Fito...

How would you feel as a Carimi fan going to this party on such a big weekend and find 100 people at the bal? You would have been disappointed!

Now as a non Carimi fan, what would you do after witnessing only 100 people going to this Carimi bal? You would have spread the bad news around!

Think about these 2 questions depending on which category you fall into before criticizing Fito.

No wonder why the bands have no respect for the fans. In business, sometimes u have a slow day. Not every day will be great.


Like I said, Fito took a tough decision on this one!

As simple as that.
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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

PhizUniq wrote:
Tout pale anpil sa yo n'ap fè la, tout se rans!

I agree 100% with Fito on this one.

In any business, a manager's role is not only to manage money, time and human resources. He is also required to take decisions, tough decisions.

Fito took a tough decision here but in the best interests of his band Carimi. His motives are reasonable and perfectly understandable.

Fito ap jere biznis djaz li.

The people who don't agree with Fito...

How would you feel as a Carimi fan going to this party on such a big weekend and find 100 people at the bal? You would have been disappointed!

Now as a non Carimi fan, what would you do after witnessing only 100 people going to this Carimi bal? You would have spread the bad news around!

Think about these 2 questions depending on which category you fall into before criticizing Fito.




Yo Bro ... i do Agree with you that Fito is looking out for his band and you know what he's doing a Great job brother .
Tough Decision is good ... and you do need a leader ...But from reading the statement above ..when he said he knew all that ect ect ect ...that's something he should have solve way before.

So why even bother showing up as if they were were willing to play ... se swa se sa or se pa sa gason ... Yesssssssssssssssssss I do understand Fito stand and that's good for the band ...but you can't wait till this late to make that Desicion brother....Especially if the promoters was willing to pay them for their services ...I'm not sure if that was the case ...But if they were ...and the band show up especially that late to play ... bro c'mon ...i wouldn't have leave just because it wasn't enough people ....Sorry sa mwen pa dako bro ....
i would want a better escuse first before i agree with that Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Anyway this thing is Very fishy to say the least and i would like to hear what the Promoters in Question got to say about this story.

Aviously i'm sure they would want to walk away and let Carimi alone take the Heat... But something is not right ...

My Post are solely base on what i read in this tread and that i wouldn't agree with ...But one can clearly see that's there is a bit more to the story and that's why i'm being carefull ...cause there is More.

From Orlando to Miami, why Kreyol la was complaining about getting paid ...all the meli mello that was Happening ...

Can we please get the other side of the strory please ... Casue i really want to Understand Fito Lojic here before i go on....Cause i know and after thinking some more , that it got to me more then that .

Map suiv toujou
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MenkiJan



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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yef wrote:
MinkiJan wrote:
yef wrote:
it's funny how everyone is pointing the fingers at Carimi this, Carimi that. we also must ask ourselves, "why wasn't this party promoted properly?"

No band should be subjected to playing in front of an empty room because of lack of promotion by the party planners. Yes the fans do lose, but I think all bands (ki gen GNB) should do this because it would send a clear signal to party organizers.

This is how this scenario should have played out:
The 150 people who came to the party should have asked for their money back! Promoters need to start respecting the hard work that these bands do out there.


Shocked Shocked Shocked

Bro you think a promoter would intentionally NOT promoting his/her party? Come on now.

Let me give you this scenario, let say that you are a very popular restaurant that’s always busy. And one you happened to have a slow day and only where 10 people entered the restaurant.

What do you do kick them out and close down the restaurant or serve them accordingly.

In business you don’t have that choice, your job is to make sure every single customer is satisfied to the fullest.

Ayisyen toujou panse se sevis yap rann customer..Let me remind Fito it’s the other way around


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Carimi has to answer to the promoter not the fans. The promoter will answer to the fans. Carimi didn't sell tickets. The promoter did. The promoter is supposed to satisfy the fans to the fullest. No bands, including Carimi, has an obligation to perform if the promoter is messing up.



Huh Shocked You are joking right?


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And yes, I've seen promoters cut corners to save a quick buck while relying on word of mouth. What did he expect? That all the people who attended the party in Orlando were going to drive 3 hours to see Carimi/Kreyol la in Miami?


Now you mean to tell me that a promoter would spent close to $ 20,000.00 for a show and chose to promote the show. In any case that is not what the subject matter is here.


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Another thing: A restaurant and a live show are two different business models. The frequency of business opportunities is totally different. You can't compare them.


Now I used the restaurant as an example, but it could have been any other business that are providing goods/services to its customers. Now since you like live shows so much let’s take a SOCCER GAME or BOXING MATCH for instance. Yon nan ekip yo ou byen boxer ya lonje pwint tet li andan stadium epi l pa we ampil moun li di l pap jwe anko. Sa w panse de sa?

That does not make any sense at all my man.


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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

D K Bess wrote:
impartial wrote:
jeancelestin wrote:
FITO STANDS ON HIS PRINCIPLES. THAT IS WHAT ANY COMPETENT MANAGER WOULD DO. SAVE HIS BUSINESS OVER A FEW DOLLARS.
AND I AM PRETTY FANS WOULD UNDERSTAND THAT!
I APPLAUD HIM FOR STANDING HIS GROUNDS!


Save his business from what??? everybody know and have seen what Carimi has done...One gig would have changed all of that??? and after they already took their deposit...NO that is not what a competent manager would have done...a competent manager would put fans first and ego after because this is all this was about...Carimi getting their little feelings hurt because the party wasn't overflowing with people...give me a freaking break. Fans don't owe anything to the band but the band owes everything to the fans...the fans are the paying customers they don't need to and shouldn't have to be put in a position to "understand" why they aren't getting the service that they paid for.


Pa pèdu tan-w...
Misyé pa tap janm di on lot bagay de MR. FITO...


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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ILandfaces wrote:
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No band should be subjected to playing in front of an empty room because of lack of promotion by the party planners

Yef i took a little piece of your post, honestly bro are you serious. If I paid you it doesnt matter if the party has 2 people you are responsible to play regardless, patizan mwen pa konpran kisa wap pale la vre.



Island, there is really nothing to understand... If while doing business with you, I discover an unforeseen event that mgiht affect future business opportunities for me resulting in possible financial loss, I have the right to defend my business and stop the bleeding contract or no contract.

In this case here the promoter is supposed to promote the party adequately because a low attendance might reflect badly on my business. I as a band manager would find a lawyer that can make this case stick.

Here is another example that illustrates my point, I don't care if all money were paid and the place was packed and conracts were signed. If the place is too hot, I as a manager would have the right to not play based on a claim that my musicians might end up getting sick and lose upcoming business dealings. And I would still find a lawyer to make it stick.
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speedy/kreyol la



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 PostPosted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

choubenz wrote:
Gro, r u saying that its perfectly fair and normal to those who came out for Carimi and got sh8t on due to low turnout? bad move if u ask me


how do u know how many loyal Carimi fanatic were at that party?


ebien get use to it, the recession is in full effect in the HMI, toute djazz ap pase anba bagay sa EXCEPTE DJAZZ moman a

THAX PATIZAN THATS WHAT IAM TALKING ABOUT...
 
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