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zipgenel



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 8:40 am    Post subject: pouki atis yo pale kreyol korekteman.. eske se konpleks.. Reply with quote Back to top

Mwen remake atis antiye yo ke mwen konnen tre byen... majorite ladan yo gen anpil ledikasyon.. anpil ladan yo pale twa lang.. kreyol, franse, angle... men sa ki fe'm renmen neg sa yo... le y'ap ekri yon teks an franse, yo lage bon franse san fot, le y'ap ekri yon teks an kreyol.. yo pran tan yo pou yo ekri ak pwononse kreyol la korekteman... e sa pa bagay kounye an.. mwen ka poste yon paket teks de atis antiye depi sou prezidan bann machwe, neg yo pa janm eseye enplike zafe yo rele "kreyol fransize" nan teks yo...

sak pase atis nou yo.. tankou arly, malgre sije misye diskite nan mizik li yo se yon bann bel pawol, men se sonnen yo sonnen byen, teks yo pa bel vreman.. (souple, anvan nou vini bat mwen, se pa di mwen di mizik yo pa bel)...

yon neg tankou richie ki fe yon chante ki di'w "lanmou se yon suk sale" epi malgre li pwononse'l konsa, li **** ekri menm jan li pwononse'l lan sou po CD an.. eske se yon konpleks.. ou byen se pe atis nou yo pe pou nou pa di ke yo pat gen ledikasyon..

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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

PATIZAN ATIS NOU PA NI PALE NI EKRI KREOL, YO ANNIK PALE YON FRANSE KOTE KONJIGEZON YO, ADJEKTIF YO PWONON YO DEFOME, SI'W VLE RELE YON LOT LANG WA RELE'L.
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PIYO



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Kriz didantite lan tout nivo sosyete nou an dapre mwen

Mwen plis panse ke neg yo ap vize yon gwoup byen detemine. Itilize “Sik” olye de “Suk” se itilize langaj mas pep la ke mas pep la li minm ap eseye evite. Yo déjà bali yon etiket ‘Cloporte’ vue sikonstans lavi li e jan yo exclut li lan sosyete lap viv la. Ayisyen an jeneral, pa atribue sikse a pati de sa li realize sou fos kouraj li, min pito a pati de moun ki kanpe bo kote’l la. Donk si richi ta itilize ‘Sik’ olye de ‘Suk’ li otomatikman mete etiket ‘cloporte’ la lan dol.

Opinyon pam.
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Neg Ansavo



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Se Pa Konpleks Non Brother Se Fot Ban'n Blan Fransè Yo Ki Te Kolonize Nou Si Lontan.. Ki Foure Yon Pakèt Mo Fransè Nan Kreyol Nou... Kreyol Ayisyen Yan Se Yon Dialèk Ki Gen Fransè, Espanyol, Menm Anglè Donk Sa Vi'n Fè Lè Nou Ko'm Atis Ap Ekri Yon Tèks Ke Nou Pa Vle Nap Jwe'n Lang Sa Yo Ladan.. Imagine'w Si Ou Ap Ekri JEZI Se Non Kreyol La E Prononse'l Konsa Tout Mou'n Ap Di Dyol Ou Sirèt.. Se Menm Pou Sucre La Mo A Ta Dwe Sik Men Lè Ou Di'l Jan'l Ye a Ou Pran Nan Telele.. Monchè Nèg Antiyè Yo Pa Mele Kreyol ak Fransè se Sak Fè Tèks Yo A Parèt Bon Kreyol...
By The Way Dapre Ou Kisa Ki Te Pèmèt Mou'n Ki Pale Fransè Selman Yo Konpran'n SHABBA Nan Intèvyou A Se Paske Kreyol Nou An Fransize Paske Pou Mwen Se Kreyol Degize Misye Tap Pale..

(Gade Valè Mo Fransè Ki Nan Sa'm Ekri Ya Se Lang Nou An Ki Konsa)
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D K Bess



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ZIP,
Post ou a bon...

Sé pa aitis yo selman...
Se société a ki pa akepte-l...
Lè-w palé bon kreyol yo di-w: DYOL SIRÈT/ DYOL SI

Ma-p bo-w on lot ekzanp...
TVICE té fè on kanaval koté BERTO té di:
Mésyé piga nou goumin nan STIDIO a non...

DJAKOUT reponn koté RORO di:
Yo pa di STIDIO yo di STUDIO...

Kiyès yo di ki té fè fot daprè nou???
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Noupapemoun



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Se yon sujè ki complèks ampil. Baz pwoblèm nan, se ke yo pat aprann kreyol nan lekol anvan. Consequently, we all do our best to write the language. But the official rules vary based on where you´re from and which dictionnary you´re following, because every year there are at least 3 or 4 creole dictionnaries that come out with different rules...

Some of my friends were not even allowd to speak creole in their house. Talk about ruining your heritage...! I think it´s important that our children learn creole. I have heard many of our artists speak french very well, like Michel Martelly, Roro, Mickael Guirand. I´ve interviewed them in French and yo patap degaje yo non, yo te konn pale.

Egzamp DK Bess bay la bon. I think they were bith rigth. But it was a good joke nevertheless. Gen nan atis nou yo ki pa konn pale fransè, and there is nothing wrong with that. I learned to speak French because I live in Montreal. Maybe I would have spoken the language if I were born in the US, but who knows...

Bottom line, m´pa kwè gen complèks, gen ki konn pale, gen ki poa konn pale. The important thing is to know your limits. Since Shabba understands french, li te ka just reponn en kreyol, he dug his own grave.

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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bagay sa-a egziste depi le yo te fe franse
tounin lang ofisyel peyi-a kote 90% pep la
pa pale-l pa ekri-l donk ki fe vinn gin on afe
clas sosyal ki debite depi le sa-a
On lot bagay tou kreyol potko gin strikti li gin kounye-a
wi tout mounn pale-l min yo pale-l diferameman
mwen aprann li e ekri kreyol nan liv kantik legliz
lem te lekol mwen pat gin okinn clas an kreyol
epi jiska prezan gin mo mwen paka di an kreyol
paske jan-m te leve yo fe-m konnin mo tankou
fanm, sik, moute, pise etc.. te vilge le ou di yo
se la ki vinn fe on lot compleks inferiorite paske
se mounn ki pat pase lekol ki pale konsa
finaleman ou paka blame atis nou yo paske
jan mwen di-l yo pat aprann kreyol la lekol
donk yo degaje yo jan yo kabap
se on gro pwoblem li ye e li la lontan
toutotan nou pa bay kreyol nou an vale lap toujou konsa
bel pos!!!!!
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Haitianone



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry to burst the bubble here but I must keep it real. For purposes of commerce and trade, you think Kreyol is going to cut it. Nobody except us speak it and because our country is super poor nobody will use it. French is one of the top 5 languages used in commerce so it makes sense to keep it official. Look how many languages Africans speak in Africa but there is only two official languages predominate on that continent, French and English.

I see a lot of posters here want to diss France but if you people would think a little more look at the other French Carribean islands, are they like Haiti? You see sometimes complexe nou will always send us up a ditch.

Some folks here need to get over their hatred for France and smell the coffee, 1804 is long gone you hear.
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dine11



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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Zip wap préché nan desert epi mwen pa konnin kilè wap finn préché. Paske sa ap pran au moins 2 ou 3 géneration ta passé ke yap eduké yo sou lang kreyol la avan pou yo ta vinn fiè de lang sa a e palé l bien.

Pa bliyé colon yo te fè nou konnin lang esklav yo pa bon se fransè ki lang yo ki bon. Sa rété nan tête nou li pa janm sorti an partan nou ginyin yon problèm de fierté nou pa rinmin lang lan vré pou yon ayitien santi li bon il faut ke li palé fransè se pou sa tout moun prononse mo kreyol yo en fransè. Se pou sa min m si ritchie te ékri sik li tap prononce l en fransè kan min m suk paske ayitien tap di li gin bouch surette pou évité problèm li obligé l fè l konsa.

Lè yon moun sorti okap ou port-de-paix yo palé bon kreyol la tout moun ri yo di yo ke yo ginyin aksan moun nan nord epou tan se yo ki palé vrè kreyol la. Sèl solution mwen wè se aprann pèp la rinmin lang kreyol la se sèlman sa ki ka retiré nou nan impas ke nou yé jodia. Paske se li ki identité nou.
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 PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2009 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Atansyon Atansyon!

Pa fem sa.

Li ta sanble ke nou vle di franse se yon lang intelektyel e kreyol la se yon lang nenpot gwo vant anfle ka pale san edikasyon.


Mesye an nou rilaks.


Pran yon neg tet woch, tet manmit fe li ap pale kreyol epi pran yon lot neg ak yon ti edikasyon.........nou ap we diferans lan.



Kreyol la bel.


Atis nou yo telman pa enterese nan zafe lekol, edikasyon.....

tout kite lekol apre premye chec bal yo.


yo pa janm ouve yon liv si se pa imaj yo ap gade.


koman ou vle yon moun konsa fome?
koman ou vle yon moun konsa gen ase gaz nan tank li pou li pale an piblik.....nan nenpot lang lan.




Depi gen lajan........edikasyon sanble pa konte.




Li difisil pou ou jwenn yon bon intelektyel nan HMI lan. King Kino se youn, Micky se yon lot.......nan sa mwen sonje.




Kreyol se yon bel lang, yon lang edike........se pa tout moun ki ka pale li bien.


Tout chen pa jape menm jan.
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