KOMPA! MAGAZINE

[Jiaspora Jacmel]

For any artist to move and sell1.3million units even if on a worldwide scale with essentially no true pure form of music marketing, and then decide to still stay on a "independent label type of setting is beyond me. When Master P/Wu-tang/Mike Jones/Juvenile all sold cds out the trunk of their car and moved 100k+ plus units and were then signed and/or provided with the right to create their own label with distribution rights such as Cash Money records, why would T-Vice decide that the best format for them is to stay with a small scale label as they are now. I can call it small scale cause their label has not pushed the marketing outside of the niche market of the HMI. Why have they not sent T-vice to showcase with other types of artists to open the appeal? Why does Le madre and teh vice boys not push for playin in venues like BBKings in times square alongside other american artists. 1.3 million is an extremely strong number to provide great leverage when approaching a major label. I mean HMI honestly has no marketing/ music model taht is efficient. I would even attribute the 1.3 to the fact that these guys travel so damn much that albums purchases occur to do the concerts. What is anyone elses thought on this? Does anyone else other than me think that Vice-La should approach a label like Island records or VP or Universal Records. These are major labels looking for the next big thing. Someone needs to sit down la madre and give her the number to Koch Records who will put serious money behind these boys.. enough with the small change from crooked hmi "producers" start dealing with teh big boys

[artslim]

I dont know the sources of your information nor i cant verify it.... but if T-VIce indeed have reached 1.3M copies They SHOULD start looking for a major label ASAP Looking at the business in a whole new light! Im all for it if it can happen.... Y NOT?

[Benny Blanco]

I want to know where how did you guys come up with that 1.3 million album sold... What entity keeps tracks of record sales for the HMI? Can someone please explain?
_________________
Se Nou Ki Nou, A Pre Nou, Se Nou, N'ap Tou Jour Nou

[kafou]

Benny Blanco,

Mande princessj papa, se li minm ki paret ak numero yo.
_________________
JISKOZO EPI NINPOTKIJAN

A LA MANIERE DE MIZIK LAKAY
" OU DI OU CHAJE KLAS, ENBIN POUKISA OU PA ALLER FE LEKOL AVEK YO"

[bambyvicekreyol]

Benny Blanco wrote:

I want to know where how did you guys come up with that 1.3 million album sold... What entity keeps tracks of record sales for the HMI? Can someone please explain?

I'd like to know too
_________________

Sak pa kontan --> Poursuit ton coridor...

[JimBo]

if you guys foregot this is what was said by the 1 and only Ms. Pj

[quote="JimBo"]

princessj wrote:

neg_okap wrote: Actually Reynaldo is using the Lafamilia sound now,Manti'm fe? Why is this necessary? Is throwing T-Vice into a topic the only way to deflect anything as simple as constructive criticism from Djakout? And for the record Maestro Reynaldo Martino is very versatile in the music he produces...ask the many other artist he's worked with. True he has a signature sound, and can sample from others at times just like any other artist, but this post isn't about him. To answer your question "yes"...ask the over 2.5 million world wide who purchased T-Vice's last album and they'll tell you. So focus on Ti Regi and the challenge issued to him. Thanks.

princessj wrote:

Gade sa-w sonje Karfou...let by gones be by gones...I already explained that error. I'm not too proud to admit when I'm wrong, and as I said over a year ago I simply couldn't remember the name of the Keytar and since it is for all purposes a mix of Guitar (frame) and Keyboard I simply said base...get over it. Anyway, the actual number is closer to 1.3 Million, that's what I'm hearing, excuse the typo, I was chatting in a Rascal Flatts forum as I was writing here and we were discussing their 2.5 Million in 2005 and how well they're doing with the new album. Any way as you doubt me, Patrick is free to call someone from the Vice camp to confirm or refute what I wrote concerning the 1.3 Million INTERNATIONALLY at any time. This is a public forum, people are allowed to exchange info whether factual or not in order to discover the truths. Either way T-Vice still out sold everyone else world wide...mande Australie ya ba-w raport...and Ti Regi's challenge still stands....let's address that for once instead of turning this into a T-Vice vs Djakout issue or Fanatik Malad Djakout vs Fabulous People. P.S. Interesting how certain people are more then ready to post 3 times in one thread, but when something touches too close to them...oops off to the dry cleaners it is.

princessj wrote:

kompekok wrote: @ PrincessJ: Is T-Vice a distributor? I want to know how they came up with the 1.3MM. Now if that was the case, how come the Vice camp told the media in New Caledony they sold 150M. [color=indigo]Bon kote-m gin fyel pou-m fe grose travay sa? Well as you stated I heard this from NC myself and the number I was told was over 1.3 MILLION, perhaps the 150 MIL was distorted to 1.3 MILLION because of language (Mil = Thousand, but sounds like Million)? It came from someone who lives in France and saw a live interview from NC...but thanks greatly for your contributions and clarifying. I appreciate you as I wasn't in Australia as you were to hear this first hand...and have no issue with saying "I stand corrected". Why is that so hard for some people to say...and accept? Is being right and having the last word beyond all reason more important then interacting and learning from each other? The nonchalance and perversity of that attitude is a bit discouraging...nothing said here unless coming from Patrick should be seen as 100% even from Pat...artists lie sometimes. Having cleared that up in your benevolent kindness and selflessness, please help us understand why NegO and company are refusing to address the issue of 5 years of refried beans on the part of Ti Regi...why it is that they attempt to deflect Phiz's respectful and direct challenge, which cheap shots and negativity?

_________________
CaRiMiNATION #ETLILYA

[Jiaspora Jacmel]

Jimbo thanks for posting that. im not tryin to attack anyone i only used the number as a reference. 1.3m isnt what im concerned about. For all i know T-vice could be averaging 100-300k per album since they started. EVEN AT NUMBERS THAT LOW. they are only 200k off from going gold if there cd sales were to be captured by soundscan. Going gold may not seem like much but when u realize that 25- 39% of the rappers from the last fiscal year didnt even hit that number yet you have got to say to yourself what exactly kind of business hmi artists are doing. No longer can anyone claim that americans wont listen to nonenglish music especially when reggaeton is all over the damn place and tehy are USING THE SAME BEAT IN EVERY DAMN SONG!!! what the hmi needs is someone with A&R experience at a major label who can see the potential of these artists.....oh you know what ill take that back cause ive brought some of my professional friends to some hmi parties and tehy wouldnt want to get involved in the monkeyism that they see happening with artists showing up 2 hours later after they are scheduled to go on...

[bkzone]

Jiaspora Jacmel wrote:

Jimbo thanks for posting that. im not tryin to attack anyone i only used the number as a reference. 1.3m isnt what im concerned about. For all i know T-vice could be averaging 100-300k per album since they started. EVEN AT NUMBERS THAT LOW. they are only 200k off from going gold if there cd sales were to be captured by soundscan. Going gold may not seem like much but when u realize that 25- 39% of the rappers from the last fiscal year didnt even hit that number yet you have got to say to yourself what exactly kind of business hmi artists are doing. No longer can anyone claim that americans wont listen to nonenglish music especially when reggaeton is all over the damn place and tehy are USING THE SAME BEAT IN EVERY DAMN SONG!!! what the hmi needs is someone with A&R experience at a major label who can see the potential of these artists.....oh you know what ill take that back cause ive brought some of my professional friends to some hmi parties and tehy wouldnt want to get involved in the monkeyism that they see happening with artists showing up 2 hours later after they are scheduled to go on...

buddy the hmi is cheap they only see self>>>>>>big up to clef( if he's not investing in haitians group and he know music why would anyone else..LOOK AT FACTS NOT FICTIONS..RIGHT NOW U THINKING OVER UR SELF COME BACK TO LIIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
_________________
TRUMPWORLD

[Benny Blanco]

@Jiaspora - yeah that dam reggaeton is really starting to urk me too... I wish they would only play it on the spanish stations give us music loving persons a break... Dame Gasolina... Dame a match so I can set reggaeton on fire....

@Jimbo - thanks for the clarification... This assessment by PrincessJ is very astonishing...

@PrincessJ - Where did you get these numbers? Is there a trustworthy source wherein we can verify this information ourselves? Not just tele djol...

You have to really take time and analyze... Personalities like Fat Joe, Jadakiss, Mobb Deep and Diddy whom are internationally known and have more popularity than T-Vice, have a hard time selling 1 million units. So how is it a band that is widely known in the HMI alone, can sell a million albums. To me this is truly impossible. Where I would more likely believe bands like Tabou done it. It's hard for me to swallow the 1.3 million T-Vice album sold... I think for this discussion we need the expertise of Staff, Pat and/or Kunta, persons who seem to be informed of the HMI world...
_________________
Se Nou Ki Nou, A Pre Nou, Se Nou, N'ap Tou Jour Nou

[JimBo]

MAYBE YOU MISSED IT Benny Blanco PLEASE GO BACK TO MY POST AND JUST @ THESE #'S THAT ARE BEING THROWN AT YOU AS IF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW THE DEAL

http://www.kompamagazine.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=12444
_________________
CaRiMiNATION #ETLILYA