KOMPA! MAGAZINE

[Chachou]

Hello Fellow KM Members:

Having stayed home and watched the "show" on the internet brought several objective views that we may have noticed as by-standers compared to those at the scene caught up in the heat of the moment. Although those who were in attendance have different perspectives and your suggestions are welcomed as well

With that said I think it would serve the Carnaval Committee well if we conducted a sort of post audit to evaluate what went well, what went wrong and how can the overall "defile" be improved next year.

It is without a doubt that most bands had chars with Reines on them which was an improvement from years past--it definitely brought more color.

One of the aspects I think needs to be worked on for next year is the strategy for timing purposes. Carnaval should be fun not some event where you have to struggle with yourself to stay awake in order to partake in the festivities. Most of you guys saw Sakapfet and I felt so sorry for Mia and Mike and their crew because at one point you could tell Mia especially was struggling to stay awake.

What suggestion would you have to improve next year's Carnaval "defile" for everyone including the diaspora who spend lots of money to make the trip to be able to enjoy.

Some issues I have personally noticed:

1) Carnaval in Haiti as it is now is not conmensurate to including children and to me that's a problem. I know they have carnaval des enfants but that's not good enough. I remember my little Indian outfits for Carnaval I don't see that anymore at carnaval. What say yee?

2) Another issue I noticed was crowd control and I'm not talking about the police beating those people kap pran plezi yo like they were beating a rock either. How can you ensure the crowd will not go out of control are there contingencies in place to deal with riots and such?

3) Police sensibility and abuse is yet another issue--should there be sensitivity training sessions prior to the carnaval?

4) The fighting among the crowd--you know those who take carnaval as an opportunity to settle a score. How do you alleviate that or curb it?

Based on the responses, I will take it upon myself to write a letter to the Carnaval Committee presenting our concerns and suggested methods of improvement. (anybody else on the board can join me in writing said letter )

My suggestions will follow in a subsequent thread.

Thank you.

This post was edited to include a sentence inviting the attendees to make suggestions as well as the title to reflect a more specific subject. Thank you.
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Chachou

"The Brightest Future will always be based on a forgotten past, you can't go on well in life until you let go of your past failures and heartaches." Anonymous

[yanvaloo]

nice For now let me add..... Mwen pat sou beton... But from watching here things was not perfect.. an i watch from many different site so i have a better understanding..


To me Timing was lacking a whole lot ...

to many dead Space.

That's it for now i'll come back with more.




Ps: Maybe for an other post but i think that's where tvice had problem the last day.... i stay up till 5am before i had to see them. trop strategie.
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[Chachou]

Let's try to keep this post positive and the for betterment of Carnaval as whole. No polemic or specific band stuff. Please I think a post audit from the public (in this case us on KM) is really constructive and can help us bring our carnaval to par with the world renowned Brazilian, Trinidadian and Spainiard Carnavals.

I am looking for suggestions to make it more marketable to the world, suggestions to included all age groups, suggestions to make it fun as opposed to yon mize pou we the hottest or most in demand bands. Nothing negative. I think the committee did a great job but an annual project such as this deserves a post audit internally and externally (us).

Thank you Yanvaloo for your response now can you please give us your suggested method of resolving the timing issue. When you say timing do you mean the time that the most popular bands begin their parade or do you mean the interval between bands. Keep in mind the cacophony being avoided when bands give each other leeway. There is a way to fill in those gaps between bands. What do you think they are? Do you think the ban a pied should also be included to fill in the gaps between the bands or any other entertaining things such as the tete boeuf, Cabrit shows? I think that's one of the ways that would help solve the gap problem.
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Peace,
Chachou

"The Brightest Future will always be based on a forgotten past, you can't go on well in life until you let go of your past failures and heartaches." Anonymous

[kompared]

1-The committee needs to have some real POWER.

The commitee stops DJAKOUT from playing. The president, PREVAL called to order DJAKOUT to continue playing.

TVICE resumed playing at 5 AM on WEDNESDAY when everything supposes to shut down at 1 o'clock.

2-Do not invite JAKITO again

3-One popular band in the diaspora should at least be invited to participate in the BAL DES REINES if none of them is on the BETON.

[Chachou]

kompared wrote:

1-The committee needs to have some real POWER. The commitee stops DJAKOUT from playing. The president, PREVAL called to order DJAKOUT to continue playing. TVICE resumed playing at 5 AM on WEDNESDAY when everything supposes to shut down at 1 o'clock. 2-Do not invite JAKITO again 3-One popular band in the diaspora should at least be invited to participate in the BAL DES REINES if none of them is on the BETON.

Kompared,

I understand your frustrations to the specific issues however can you please provide us with some constructive cristism like how could the situation with the committee stopping a band and having the President having to override the decision be avoided? Think security. Think perception. How can that be avoided where any one band won't feel they are unfairly treated or the President's conseiller feel they may have an uncotrollable situation based on peception of unfair treatment. This is not a let's point fingers at so and so session, this is a higher level constructive post audit by us the public.

My suggestion is for the committee to clearly delineate the rules by way of written consents and public announcements. This way noone can say they didn't know, it wasn't clear or this that and the other... What do you think?
People suggestions to make it better is what we're looking for. This letter will come from us KM MEMBERS not just Chachou
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Peace,
Chachou

"The Brightest Future will always be based on a forgotten past, you can't go on well in life until you let go of your past failures and heartaches." Anonymous

[Staff Poze 2]

To me Carnival in Haiti is something that need to be re-think completely.....I have been working with the DC Carnival Caribbean Committee (DCCC) for 15 years now...and as a member of the Caribbean Band Leaders Association (CBLA) for 12 years...I see Carnival a whole different way than most Haitians....
The carnival should be a money making machine for the country,just like it is for the other Caribbean nations, New Orleans and Brasil....Unfortunatley en Haiti Carnaval cé gnou vrai Dezod Organizé and that at all the levels........
If I have to do something for the carnival in Haiti it will be to go to Haiti with some consultants......people who have been successful at putting together the logistics for parades of that magnitude in other countries and here in D.C

For now I will only say two things that you might want to take back to them....

1-Just like I said to Mia that you can't have a live broadcast without a Show Director.....Today let me tell the committee you can't have a band in the parade without a Marshal neither.....
Each band must have a Well Trained Marshal in a special uniform (not any kid in front of the float or a gendarme beating the public).... In Haiti the bands are directed by the musicians or every one else on the float with a microphone crying out of their lungs KAMPE CHAAAAA KANPE CHA TONERRRRRRRR OR AVANCE CHAAAAAAAAA.....That should be the job of the Marshal and the driver must only follow the Marshal directive.....and that's not the only job of the Marshal...but I will stop right there....

2-The committe should line up the bands on the Boulevard Jean Jacques Dessalines..(according to their numbers-taken ONLY from a drawing ) prior to Rue Des Casernes ready to shoot up the Champs de Mars even when the Departure and Ending Point still remain Stade Sylvio Cator....

I will add that no bands should be paid in full for taking part in the parade....they should only receive a deposit and get their balance after the parade that will open the door to penalize ANY band that didn't follow the rules and regulation of the parade route.
Once the bands (Big or Small) know that MONEY can be deducted....they sure will learn to follow instructions.
Each band must have only ONE leader on the float like the Captain of a team and only that leader can communicate with the committee representatives.....
Yet again I will stop right there........
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[yanvaloo]

Chachou wrote:

Let's try to keep this post positive and the for betterment of Carnaval as whole. No polemic or specific band stuff. Please I think a post audit from the public (in this case us on KM) is really constructive and can help us bring our carnaval to par with the world renowned Brazilian, Trinidadian and Spainiard Carnavals. I am looking for suggestions to make it more marketable to the world, suggestions to included all age groups, suggestions to make it fun as opposed to yon mize pou we the hottest or most in demand bands. Nothing negative. I think the committee did a great job but an annual project such as this deserves a post audit internally and externally (us). Thank you Yanvaloo for your response now can you please give us your suggested method of resolving the timing issue. When you say timing do you mean the time that the most popular bands begin their parade or do you mean the interval between bands. Keep in mind the cacophony being avoided when bands give each other leeway. There is a way to fill in those gaps between bands. What do you think they are? Do you think the ban a pied should also be included to fill in the gaps between the bands or any other entertaining things such as the tete boeuf, Cabrit shows? I think that's one of the ways that would help solve the gap problem.

Got you and thinking too.....What i mean is the space betwee band .. it was not Flowing..as far as i could see from home. That's a no no.

if you Have a schedule stick to it.


Don't want to turn this into politique or polemique... but let me use 1 example please and that's the last.

first day we didn't see Djakout .. but we all heard the cursing and Rablabla till they let them play who's fault was that.

Last day.... i sat here waiting for Tvice and when they finally got there at 5am i was tired and seem to pass by fast . Sound was crapy ... is that the way it was all night i don't think so .. but sitting here Djakout went by nice and sound was very good( not using any bs here either)

why it took so long for me to see them..... ?

fill in the Gap ... band a peid , Reine. ect ect .. .Keep it Flowing...

we could sit here and Debate all we want who won ect but Tout bagay Pat amform and that is a big Part of it, and you know it..


Try the best you can to keep thing on Schedule ... Its not imposible but close to it would be nice.. So Band don't do whatever they want (ie : Strategie ect). I know it's hard with such a big event but atleast try harder.

I'm saying that because, just like you Chachou i was at home and so was an other millions watching.
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[PIYO]

Let me try.

Number of Floats
First off all, what is the amount of CHAR that should participate on the Carnival. To me it seems to change every years. I know it must be related to sponsorship but I think we should know from the get go if 15 or 20 or 30 CHAR will participate. I dont really know how the study is made, but I believe there should be a set number. Me I'll go with with a number between 25 and 30.

Timing.
Personaly I knew the 1am deadline wasn't going to work. That was a failure because they did not really go into it in depth. They should have have sit down with all band representatives, the police, discussed about it for hours and agreed a start and finish time SIGNED BY EVERY BAND. The timing will go along with the number off bands. Every band should be ready to rock hours before they start their show. They should also give them deadline for delays. If you are having a problem that will cause a delay of X minutes you should be out. And as Staff said, a marshall for every truck running the show. I'll say, starting time for the CHAR should be 8pm and everything should stop at 3 am.

Security
I think this is the hardest one to control, but can be minimize significantly if good resources and logistic are used. I think the police should start implimenting cameras. They should have there own network covering the whole distance. I know that will cost, but it can help a lot. With the right number of cameras and the right amount of police teams (undercover included) and a good coordination between the control room and the teams on the ground, a lot can be done. Also, those recorded data might help to develop strategies for future events.
Prevention should be the theme. Ads on radio and TV should be running so often that they stick one people head. Every one should know the consequenses. Punishment (less destructive or corporal) should be hard enough that anyone should think several times before starting anything. If you know they are watching you, you are on tape and if not cought they will be looking for you the next days and the punishment won't be nice you wont have enough choice than to think before you act.

I'll try to think more and bring them later on....[/b]
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Haitian... Why Not!!!

[papito kf]

Mezanmi pou nou bay suggestion se pou nou la tou wi.

1st of all moin panse ke komite kanaval la ka oblije deplase li paske champ de mars komanse trop piti pou kantite moun ki vinn partcipe ladan li. Population Port Au Prince la double et menm triple ki vle di plus moun vinn assiste a defile a and vinn gonle sou champ de mars

2. Pa gen assez sortie d'evacuation. Champ de mars se yon death trap. Si gen yon kouri, anpil moun ap mouri, parce que sortie devacuation yo minim et sak ki la yo bloke par moun ak machine la police

Education. Moin panse mezanmi se pou yo mete inspecteur de la sante publik nan kanaval la pou kontrole kesyon manje a. ti machan yo ap vann menm kote moun yo pipi ak poupou. Komite a fe anpil effort, li mete toilettte a la disposition public la, but yo pito pipi ate a pase yo ale nan toilette la.

Sou kesyon timing la, moin panse komite a fe anpil effor tout. Defile carnvalesque la komanse exactement a 3h nan stade sylvio cator. anpil djazz pa janm pare on time paske yap fe adjustement sou char yo a.

Komite sa moin panse la depi 3 ans and li fe anpil effort. Moin we moun ap di kanaval haiti a fok li vinn rentable, moin panse yo sou route sa, cependant lap pran yo tan and anpil investissement pou yo mete li nan nivo sa.
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[FUNKY]

a part de champ mars kotew wè ke yo ka fè kanaval sa papito ??? m`wè sé champ mars ki pi ouvè...a mwenss pou yo ta fe`l tabarre
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