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zipgenel



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 PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 3:59 pm    Post subject: Fans with Criminal music minds... Reply with quote Back to top

There is a famous phrase on this board, used almost by everyone even by those who are guilty.. "I can't speak my mind without being attacked"...
victim and oppresor used this lame sentence...
it kills me sometimes when some peeps on the board are all acting innocent...
I had to build a time line of the nu-look saga... almost as soon as the news came out, several members automatically placed the blame on Arly whom I am not defending at any cause...
in an back and forth conversation with one of our most respected member... DJ KREYOL... he insist that I stop criticizing Gazman and start by putting some blame on Arly as well.. WHY??
I don't know Arly as a fan... the only thing I know, the man is a freaking genius musically... and he is a business owner, and he has to open his eyes and make decisions that he catch a lot heat for... and as long as this man keep on bringing the good songs, vibe, harmony, lyrics, production to Nu-look.. I will always say... Jere Biznis... SO THERE GOES WHERE I'M GUILTY...

However, my theory was this.. If Gazman can say that we don't know how long he has been suffering... then why did he last so long in the first place... if you see something is not going your way... then quit it... if you chose to stay, then you should stop complaining, cause that's your choice... you quit a band that you've helped bring to the promise land, and the band helped you get at a certain place financially and helped you get very famous in your circle... so why not leave in peace? why do you have to make it sound that like it was hell on earth... while you chose to stay?

now a few jumped on me... and wanted me to attribute some of the blame to Arly... yet again I just can't.. I've criticized Arly for numerous errors before... but this time, it's from people that am hearring he did not share money equally in the band, he did not share power equally... etc.. let me tell ya... that's none of my biznis... that's the man's band, he pays according to what you agree on... you don't like it, move on!

I could ask some of you a list of what Arly is guilty of in this situation... you'd be surprise how many ignorant thing they gonna come up with..

I wish Gazman good luck.. and the move might turn out to be the best move of his career... if disip is my cup of tea... I will never be ashamed to say that I'm a fan.. however, I... am holding Gazman accountable.. for using a sad situation to his advantage. Cool

ou pa dakò... zafè ki konsèné'w.. Cool
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philosophenoir



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 PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have been waiting for someone to jump and say something about this post.....No one did.....even the most controversial fellows bwe pwa.

and that pushed me to ask why so many people clicked on the post but .........

Why?

Soit que les gens admettent que Zipgenel a le souci, le scrupule de rendre compte, fidelement de la veritE, et il le dit tel qu'il est.......alors ils n'ont rien a reprocher....

ou soit simplement Zip est un fautif qui ne merite pas l'attention.



Bon, peu importe qui vous etes, peu importe ce en quoi vous croyez .....vous qui supportez le camp d'Arly, et vous autres qui supportez le camp de Couleur....



vous qui aimez Zip, vous qui ne l'aimez pas........


Il ne faut pas ecrire pour ecrire.....comme il dit....."l'homme doit primer l'ecrivain, et tout ecrit doit etre une action"

Je n'ai pas dit si I support Zip's writing or not.....quand il s'agit de musique Haitienne....zip a une intuition qui soit plus elevee que la mienne....je vais pas etre le bambin qui pral chialer de sujet mwen pa konnenen trop bien....


but i have witnessed posters attacking his aggressive, honest, too direct approach all the time...
He said things not to get les poussins derriere lui......men li di sa li santi....

Cela ne veut pas dire that he is always right.........but now...he is coming so strong....

strong at his critics......

I want to see a good debate......



So wherever you may be....come out......
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SIROMYEL



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 PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2010 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Philo...

Laughing Wink Laughing Laughing

Kounye a ou pral di se post ou a ki fe'm vinn ekri laa. Epi se pa janm vre.

SE PREMYE Fwa mwen we post saaa.

Zip has a point. But the other side which he chooses to ignore is also true.

Yes Arly is a musical genius. But as the leader of a band, in losing GAZman as a lead singer, he fail miserably.

Any pbserver of NU LOOK could tell that Arly ruled with an iron fist. And that is no way to lead.

1. You say that Gazzman could have talked about his problems with Arly instead of talking about in in every barbershop. How do you know he never talked to Arly about it. Unless you know something we dont. I dont think that is a statement you can make.

If it is true that he never talked to Arly about it, I agree that it was the wrong thing to do. But that does not mean he was no justified in leaving the band... and that does not wash Arly of his faults.

2. Gazzman stayed in NU LOOK all these years. Why complain now? Gazzman is not the first person to stay in a difficult situation in order to defend some important interests. Nor will he be the last. I believe that maybe he stayed because he believed that he and arly can do great things together that will enhance his value as an artist, and enable him to branch ou on his own later. In otherr words he wanted to increase the value of his brand before branching out on his own.Who can blame him for that? Or Maybe he genuinely was trying to make it work.

No matter the reason he stayed... it does not mean that he was not indeed induring a stressful situation.

I personally think there are two great team players in the HMI. GAZZMAN Is one of them. The other is kenny desmangles. For Gazzmann to have stayed in NU LOOK so long says a lot about the man... no matter the reason.


3. Why say that nou pa konn de pi ki le l'ap soufri? why not leave on a more positive note? Well... I believe he wanted to let the public know, so that he doesnt come out looking like the bad guy. There's a lot of details he did not give.

I dont think Gazzman is an angel by any means. In fact I do not like the way he has been carrying on ... or not carrying on lately.

But as far as him quitting NU LOOK... I dont think we can fault him for that. Arly as the leader of the band has to accept some of the blame.

It is time that our artists, especially one of Gazzman's caliber, has room for growth in their own bands. It''s time for this " a super star to my fans but a restavec in my own band" to stop.

Like you said, if that is the way Arly and others do business, this will happen time and time again. Artists with potential to do more will always break away and try to do more for themselves. It is a law of nature.

When you put in the work, you expect a promotion. If you dont get it you look elsewhere.

Being the leader of a band is not all about musical knowledge or creativity. You are dealing with people. And whenever you are dealing with people, you've got to be a diplomat. You've got to know how to retain your most important asset. And on that note, Arly fail miserably.

Arly should have conducted business in such a way that if Gazzman ever left, no one can hold him responsible. He did not do that.
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 PostPosted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

you got a point siro
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 PostPosted: Tue Feb 16, 2010 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Siro,

I second that! I agree with Zip on certain things but he seemed to be putting all the blame on Gazzman and there are always two sides to the story.

Zip, you said that you don't know Arly but from the way you wrote, it looks like you had picked Arly's side. Since we(the fans) don't know the whole story, we can only speculate but I think it is very unfair for you to put all the blame on Gazzman and to judge him so harshly.
 
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