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[MINGOLOVE]

We, Haitians, are all so danm proud to say "HAITI IS THE FIRST FREE BLACK NATION IN THE WORLD" or to carry our flag all around as a sign of pride. But when we take a look at some other Black countries in Carribean that were also colonized like Haiti, and that became FREE but still remain a territoty of their formely colonizing country (in other words they became FREE but NOT INDEPENDENT), we can see that those countries are better than Haiti in all aspects. We are the poorest in the western hemisphere and many of our Haitian brothers anbd sisters have left Haiti to seek a better life in those surrounding countries that are free, but not completely independent.

I understand that indepedence was the greatest accomplishment for the freedom fighters of that time, but the Haitian people of then were not ready to lead a country by themselves. As a matter of fact, until now we still cannot take control of our own destiny. Haiti is a JOKE and a SHAME on the surface of the earth.

It seems Haitians (those living in haiti and abroad) are only good at observing the country sinking deeper and deeper into poverty and misery, and re-statement the famous quotes of our ancestors. We, Haitians, only talk about patriotism, but deep inside we are not patriots. 85% of Haitians in Haiti right now would give up Haiti to come and live in the US or Canada if the US or Canada offer them residency for their lands and houses in Haiti.

So, I sometimes wish that, after Dessalines, Petion, Capois, Christophe and their army had fought French army and won the last battle in November 2003, Haiti had become free but still keep ties with the French.(That was actually Toussaint Louverture vision, make Haiti a free country, but a French territory)

Instead of paying France to recognize our independence, we should have invited the French to come back in Haiti, where instead of putting us back in slavery, they would regain some of their property and share them with their former slaves who would now have rights to own property and do commerce.

I think Haiti wouldn't be where it is right now. Our country wouldn't go from "PERLE DES ANTILLES" to "PEINE DES ANTILLES".

At work and at school, I've heard fellwo Haitians bragging out Haiti being the first Black Republic in the world, and some foreigners would be like : "And Then... ?"

Frankly, looking how Haiti is making steps backward, I wish my country was only a FREE country, and NOT an independent one. Nou mèt di'm pa patriot!

But too BAD, too SAD!
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[Haitianone]

Mingolove

That was Louventure's plan to keep Haiti tied to France but end slavery. At the end as you see today, other Haitians with great inspiration and no plan made sure Louventure was capture.
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[MINGOLOVE]

Haitianone wrote:

Mingolove That was Louventure's plan to keep Haiti tied to France but end slavery. At the end as you see today, other Haitians with great inspiration and no plan made sure Louventure was capture.

Exactly H1!

Toussaint Louverture might have learned to read, write, and read at age of 40, but he was one of the world genius of his time when it comes to politics.

Even the Great Napoleon once said, after Toussaint death and Haiti independence, that his biggest mistake and regret duringh his administration, was arresting and deporting Toussaint from Haiti. He realized he could have use Toussaint as a governor general and make the French colons distribute some of their land to the maroons and free Blacks and mulattoes, French would still have keep slavery in a low level for maybe half a century more.

Haiti's independence was a slap in the face of France and other colonizing powers, I understand that. But what do Haitians gain from it ???
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[kafou]

You'll are crazy!
now you are second guessing. our biggest mistake to say is the Inheritance of Complexicity we gained from France. that's a Cancer!

Being Independent is fine, but the people were already corrupted with complex and as a result we as a nation can never get along. Inequality, inferiority, still manifest in haiti as we speak.
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[SIROMYEL]

Quote:

At the end as you see today, other Haitians with great inspiration and no plan made sure Louventure was capture.

kote ou jwenn ak istwa dayiti saaa h1?

if you have facts to support this statement come with them.

if not mwen po ko janm tande sa ouap pale laaa.

[Haitianone]

Syro cheri here is a passage of a book on Haitian history

Two of Toussaint's chief lieutenants, Dessalines and Christophe, recognized their untenable situation, held separate parleys with the invaders, and agreed to transfer their allegiance. Recognizing his weak position, Toussaint surrendered to Leclerc on May 5, 1802. The French assured Toussaint that he would be allowed to retire quietly, but a month later, they seized him and transported him to France, where he died of neglect in the frigid dungeon of Fort de Joux in the Jura Mountains on April 7, 1803.

It is a know fact Dessalines and Christophe sold out Touissaint and in the process sold out Haiti for doom. Some people will not like that but it is truth.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+ht0018)
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[jeanVALjean]

Mingolove,

Frankly, I'm having a rather difficult time wrapping my head around the concept of "freedom" while remaining "dependent" on another person or in this case foreign "masters," whom by the way, would have preferred to see us remain in chains and at their beck and call in a subservient role. It reminds me very much of Booker T. Washington's 1895 speech before white businessmen at the International Exposition in Atlanta. There, he made the now imfamous placatorial statement "In all things purely social we can be as separate as the fingers" while invoking whites to "cast down [their] buckets" to blacks. The idea of being "free" while remaining under the control of someone else is oxymoronic to say the least.

While I understand your frustration with Haiti's current state, do not allow resignation and revisionism to render you blind.

Interesting topic which can be discussed further...
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[Neg Lakay]

DJ MINGOLOVE wrote:

Haiti's independence was a slap in the face of France and other colonizing powers, I understand that. But what do Haitians gain from it ???

How about the right for you as a Haitian to sit here and speculate on what might have happen if your ancestors did not fight for your freedom (independence). That alone is a gain.

Some of us like to live in the past and play the what if games. While doing so we tend to make the past look sweeter than it really was. And making the present looks much worse than it really is. What if Duvalier, what if Toussaint, etc...
forgetting the reasons why those folks did not last in their leadership role.

I'll come back on this because lack of time now, but we cannot just look at the present and say if things were another way we would have such and such.

Peace!
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[Originalsemwen]

This is exactly what they masters wanted. For us to realize that being independent was not a good idea. NO one will convince me that It wasn't the right action. It was the right thing to do. no matter what the situation is today. We can change that if we want. There are other countries who were in much more dire spot than us, but has turned their country around. Go read the story about Malawi. This small african country. This should be a road map for us Haitian to work to help bring our country out of poverty. Whatever was done is done, and we move on.
Being independent was and still the best thing that ever happened to Haiti.
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[Neg Lakay]

Originalsemwen wrote:

Being independent was and still the best thing that ever happened to Haiti.

Exactly, and whatever plan Toussaint had, our freedom seem to have moved from the top of his priority list once he became governor of the island. Toussaint te two renmen Lafrans, and France had no intention of freeing no black folks.
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