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 PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

daphnee wrote:
Haitianone wrote:
The Republicans have left a mess for Obama. The Jews are angling for a position on this issue with Obama and the Palestianians as usual have left terrorist to overwhelm their political will.

Sometimes I wonder if the Palestianian political class do not see why Hamas in the long term is nothing but a scapegoat to the suffering of their people. Look at the West Bank, people are cafe and development projects are taking hold while in Gaza total isolation.



They have nothing to say on the matter at all really...Mayor Bloomberg goes over to Israel to show his support...of course why wouldn't he Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes but when did he represent the national government Confused Confused


Bloomberg is doing his thing but one thing is Palestianians I always though could get leverage over the issue but they have not. They let Hamas ran Gaza which I always though was a recipe for disaster. Of course, they waited till now to destroy Gaza which could had occurred long ago but they waited. The Palestianian political class is the problem.
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 PostPosted: Mon Jan 05, 2009 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: ISRAEL AND HAMAS/GAZA...WHAT'S YOUR TAKE?? Reply with quote Back to top

daphnee wrote:
DO YOU GUYS THINK THE ACTIONS ISRAEL HAVE UNDERTAKEN ARE APPROPRIATE?? IS IT FAIR?? WHOSE AT FAULT HERE?


Its a very complex matter. Palestininans had sent rockets constantly into Israel, targetted civilian population with them and with their martyrs (human bombs). Their agenda is for the total destruction of Israel.

These two hate each other without reserves.

The meaning of the word "hate" flourishes and takes its full meaning there, among these two.

Its too complex an issue. There are political, historical and spiritual connotations to this feud.

The battle described in the book of APOCALYPSE in the bible, the final battle, called THE ARMAGEDDON is believe to initiate there. In fact many believe, it has been breawing for years and years. Its getting hotter.

This is the one hot spot, among the many in the world, that can triggered ARMAGEDDON. WAR WORLD 3, the end of things more easily. Its an ultra high, hotter risk spot in our world. A war escalation there could easily get pretty much all major players involved. USA, Syria, Iran, Russia, Egipt, Israel, Libano, and then it would be like a domino.

Israel does have Biblical claims to the land yet that was Arab land for centuries. After WW 2 the allies decided to create a state for the Jude people. Even if that meant removed others from their land; so Israel was created. With its right to exist, to be free and soveraign. Others saw there simply a move to wedge an ally into hostile territory.

The Palestinians are terrorist, we are told. So we wage a holly war, cause its about religion too and is not the first time. The Crusades long ago was a major battle among these two infidels. The Muslims and the Christians.

I called them both infidels 'cause they both are the same thing. At least the decision makers and the ones in power are. These two group of "God loving people", (whatever you want to name God, Allah or Yahve) have us, this world in the brink of total destruction.

There is another angle to this matter and another version; one, we seldom here. The Muslim version. That is when you realized that the human picture and our world are just one corrupt and evil world. Its the same feeling when the true came about Comunism, who had come to power with the agenda of justice, only to became just the same or worst. It seems to be the case now.

In fact, many voices around the world had raised to accused the Western world, America and Israel to be just the same; that the word terrorist doesn't seem to have a major difference among defining participants of this theatre.

The injustices towards the Muslims had been constant and the attacks as well. And many of the points they claimed and complained about, had true ring to it. For instance.

It is now widely known in Internet forums, blogs and to a lesser extent even in commercial media, that Israel is using against Gaza, one of the most henious invention in human history; CLUSTER BOMBS, banned worlwide. Its also widely believe, the Israeli army is using DEPLETED PLUTONIUM and FOSFORUS BOMBS, also banned worlwide, and all sort of different bombs, all banned, that created hell on earth where they fall.

And they have been fallen in Mosques, Hospitals, civilians homes, upon children and women..........so who is who and what is what, I ask, or are you just a mirror of each other thoughts?

So whatever. That is the work of politicians, religious figures and leaders of this world. They have us in the brink of total destruction, this world.

So whatever. Whatever their political ideologies, their agendas and their presidents and their GOD's, whatever. They are all the same.

I am just waiting here for the only one that is going to make everything right, who is going to fix our world, to heal it. The one who said, "I will wipe out every tear, nobody would be sick and there will be peace" That is my only hope and solution to this matter. D Lord can make peace there, in the MIDLE EAST.

My take then is, I believe in the bible to define this conflict and to find its definite solution.

In it, says that Satan takes Jesus to a mountain and showed to him all the kingdoms and goverments of earth and said to him; If you adore me all these kingdoms and goverments I will give to you!

ISN'T IT CLEAR???????????????????????? All goverments belong to El Diablo!!!!!!! Twisted Evil << ++ Go away, Go away + +

Padone mwen DAPHNEE, I go to go into a RANT but after that, when Im done, I will be back to tell you what my take on this serious matter is.

Here I go > Razz

So, Comunism, Capitalism, Democracy, Muslims Leaders, Christian Leaders and those that fight on God's name, armies and dictators and Obama, McCain, Republican, Democrat, Socialism, Israelis and Palestineans leaders, Putin, Castro, Lenin, Mao, Bill Gates, the Vatican, Wall Street and The World Bank............WHATEVER.

You all are the same; you all are pathetically inefficient to stop wars, to bring peace, justice and brotherhood to earth and are evil too. While you play your stupid games and spent millions in your damn war toys, people are dying everywhere. Women and children, in Gaza, in Port au Prince, in Oaxaca, in Israel, in the USA, everywhere.

You should all really get the hell out here to some far away galaxy, in some parallel universe, millions light years away from our beloved planet earth that you had messed up pretty well. And let us the rest of the world just to work and live in peace.

And

Take your God damn Nuclear bombs and your war toys, your machinery of misery and destruction with you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your war machineries in whatever colors you painted them and whatever flags you fly to fool each and everyone.

Pavel > oh my God, what a character! Rolling Eyes brilliant man! Shocked , is this going to be a book? Rolling Eyes Smile

Mexkompa Roots > hold on Pavel Karamel (I heard that is how your Haitian girlfriend call you) I am almost finish perro (dog)

I was saying; really, what difference is there? What difference was in the COLD WAR between COMUNISM and CAPITALISM? We were TWICE, minutes away to open, all out nuclear war: The activation for deployment was in process, we were at DEFCON 2, during the Cuban Missile crisis. Its historic. Minutes away to open all out nuclear war! Nice job leaders of our world! So...

So my TAKE #2 is >>> Whatever. Men can't do it. Only D LORD is going to make peace there in the MIDLE EAST. Men can't. Our world politician and religious leaders had taken us to two major world wars, droppings of Nuclear bombs and have us in this predicament in the Midle East, where the end of the world, ARMAGEDON and all out Nuclear war doesnt seem too farfetched anymore: NIce Job, leaders of our world.

So let me serenade you with a fitting song for your case and just in case you haven't heard, Leaders of our world, here is the link > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVmDcAqI_PU&feature=related ....as my COMPA CARLITOS SHAMAN SANTANA sung and dedicated to you, here I do AND sing as well, too > "you can't go on, LORD KNOWS YOU HAVE TO CHANGE, YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR EVIL WAYS." Leaders of our world, good for none.

LORD PLEASE COME BACK!!!!

I am sick of this trash!!!

BBack

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Mexkompa Roots.

PS Let there be peace on earth.

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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

This issue between the Palestinians and Israel is an endless war. Like most people from the ARAB WORLD, the Palestinians don't really want peace or try to leave side by side with Israel, instead they rather the destruction of Israel as a country. This mess was created by western powers after the persecution the Jews by HITLER. Israel will forever continue to fight for their existence and most countries from the Arab world will continue to want their extinction.

This issue will probably the cause of WWIII followed by the emergence of China as super power, which ever one causes WWIII first.
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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You know what, guys:

I don't think Obama agrees with what's going on here. He certainly doesn't agree with Israel and probably thinks, like Daph, myself, Pouche ect, that Israel went overboard. The problem is that he can't say it; at least not right now and not outright. For one, the guy is surrounded by jews, has promised that he'll supported them and stand by their side, and has placed a few of them in his cabinet. Obama's current approach is to stay quite and divert questions to George Bush by saying there's only one president at a time. Very smart move; for now. But Obama's going to have to take a more bolder position.

I just think his position would dissapoint Israel and most jewish leaders. I may be wrong. I'm almost certain Obama will not take the same stance Bush took while in office -- which was to basically endorse everything Israel does. He'll take the Clinton approach, which was to take bolder steps to bring both parties together (evidenced by when Bill Clinton brought Yitzhak Rabin and x-PLO leader Yasser Arafat to Washignton to publicly shake hands and sign a declaration of principle for peace between arabs and Israelis in 1993)- eventhough nothing in this world will bring peace between these two nations.

Everyone, I sense, is waiting to hear Obama's take on this once he's sworn in. And this will be a real challenge for Obama amid all of the other mess Bush left behind for him to clean up.

And to answer your question Daph -- I do think Israel has gone too far and in the long run will not accomplish much by way of this Gaza strip bombing mission. However, I do believe Hamas has brought this all unto itself and the Palestinians.

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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ti boxer wrote:
You know what, guys:

I don't think Obama agrees with what's going on here. He certainly doesn't agree with Israel and probably think, like Daph, myself, Pouche ect, that Israel went overboard. The problem is that he can't say it; at least not right now and not outright. For one, the guy is surrounded by jews, has promised that he'll supported them and stand by their side, and has placed a few of them in his cabinet. Obama's approach is to stay quite and divert the attention to George W. by saying there's only one president at a time. Very smart move; for now. But he's going to have to take a position.

I just think his position would dissapoint Israel and most jewish leaders. I may be wrong. I'm almost certain Obama will not take the same stance Bush took while in office -- which was to basically endorse everything Israel does. He'll take the Clinton approach, which was to take bolder steps to bring both parties together (evidenced by when Bill Clinton brought Yitzhak Rabin and x-PLO leader Yasser Arafat to Washignton to publicly shake hands and sign a declaration of principle for peace between arabs and Israelis in 1993)- eventhough nothing in this world will bring peace between these two nations.

Evryone, I sense, is waiting to hear Obama's take on this once he's sworn in.

And to answer your question Daph -- I do think Israel has gone too far and in the long run will not accomplish much by way of this Gaza strip bombing mission. However, I do believe Hamas has brought this all unto itself and the Palestinians.

Ti boxer



thanks Box and Happy new year dear Very Happy

I mean just looking at the sheer number of deaths on this thing its incredulous to me that people don't think Israel went overboard here...Last night's count was 8 Israeli's dead to the500+ Palestinians killed and the 2,200 wounded...the hospitals over there are overwhelmed. And Hamas is not helping matters at all neither. They sent 80 rocket missiles over into Israel for the past two days..this is pure madness Sad
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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You bet, Daphnee. And a happy new year to you too.

I just don't think much will be accomplished here. In fact, it appears that jewish leaders are only alienating themselves from the U.N and a host of other nations begging for a cease fire. Their refusal to stop their mission is also drawing more sympathy for the Palestinians. Though I do get the sense jewish military could care less about that.

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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ti boxer wrote:
You bet, Daphnee. And a happy new year to you too.

I just don't think much will be accomplished here. In fact, it appears that jewish leaders are only alienating themselves from the U.N and a host of other nations begging for a cease fire. Their refusal to stop their mission is also drawing more sympathy for the Palestinians. Though I do get the sense jewish military could care less about that.

Ti boxer



I get the same sense as well...I forget the ladies name that's been appearing on TV explaining the actions of the Israeli army but she really has this attitude that we will do whatever we have to do at all costs...I totally understand that Israel lives under fear of attack on a daily basis but they really sseeme that they're trying to obliterate Gaza at this point...Its senseless...
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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

BETTER STAY AWAY FROM MANHATTAN!

OU PA KA GOUMIN AK YON PEUPLE KI BELIEVE NAN HOLY WAR AND READY TO SACRIFICE FROM NEW BORN BABY'S TO OLD ONE's.

I DO NOT TRUST MANHATTAN, AND I DO NOT TRUST ANY OF THE ARABS AND THE JEWS and they can care less if everyone else died anyway.
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kafou wrote:
BETTER STAY AWAY FROM MANHATTAN!

OU PA KA GOUMIN AK YON PEUPLE KI BELIEVE NAN HOLY WAR AND READY TO SACRIFICE FROM NEW BORN BABY'S TO OLD ONE's.

I DO NOT TRUST MANHATTAN, AND I DO NOT TRUST ANY OF THE ARABS AND THE JEWS and they can care less if everyone else died anyway.



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 PostPosted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ti boxer wrote:
You know what, guys:

I don't think Obama agrees with what's going on here. He certainly doesn't agree with Israel and probably thinks, like Daph, myself, Pouche ect, that Israel went overboard. The problem is that he can't say it; at least not right now and not outright. For one, the guy is surrounded by jews, has promised that he'll supported them and stand by their side, and has placed a few of them in his cabinet. Obama's current approach is to stay quite and divert questions to George Bush by saying there's only one president at a time. Very smart move; for now. But Obama's going to have to take a more bolder position.

I just think his position would dissapoint Israel and most jewish leaders. I may be wrong. I'm almost certain Obama will not take the same stance Bush took while in office -- which was to basically endorse everything Israel does. He'll take the Clinton approach, which was to take bolder steps to bring both parties together (evidenced by when Bill Clinton brought Yitzhak Rabin and x-PLO leader Yasser Arafat to Washignton to publicly shake hands and sign a declaration of principle for peace between arabs and Israelis in 1993)- eventhough nothing in this world will bring peace between these two nations.

Everyone, I sense, is waiting to hear Obama's take on this once he's sworn in. And this will be a real challenge for Obama amid all of the other mess Bush left behind for him to clean up.

And to answer your question Daph -- I do think Israel has gone too far and in the long run will not accomplish much by way of this Gaza strip bombing mission. However, I do believe Hamas has brought this all unto itself and the Palestinians.

Ti boxer


Bro! I though you were gone! I am glad to see u your post.

Anyway, don't hate me cause I don't agree, in special with such a thorny issue as its OBAMA.

I mean I understand that emotionally a lot of African American, African Caribbean and minorities in general feel a sense of proudness that a Black (even if its mix, half and half) finally is in power, a president of USA.

Don't be fooled. Obama is just an employee of the machinery and same as everyone else. Just because he is black doesn't mean his heart is where his at. He is simply an employee to the real power; to the big money, to the military (Pentagon) to ILUMANITI.

His so famous change never came. His appointed people to the top spots in defense and army positions are key people from the Bush administration. He remained totally silent in the struggle and suffering of his HAITIAN brothers and sisters, he is remaining silent now because he is an employee and is not going to make waves to the Jewish groups and organizations that are infiltrated and control huge parts of government, money and power.

Meantime the slaughter continues.

Like I said, they are all just THE SAME.

Israel and USA are having a field trip testing all their new weaponry into civilian people and that is that. If not careful this is going to take us into WW3.

Mexkompa Roots

PS An Oreo; is a black man that on the outside is black but who's inside is white, filly creamy white. Like Condi Rice, like Collin Powel, like Obama.
How someone in his/her right mind would believe that this man has in his heart the struggle of the black when he TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY ignored the plight of the HAITIAN PEOPLE, black people???? I need of glass of milk for my cookies............................
 
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